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Lets get the party started earlier.

For winning title in Valencia, Rossi needs to finish:

Lorenzo 1 = Rossi 2
2 = 3
3 = 6
4 = 9
5 = 11
6 = 12
7 = 13
8 = 14
9 = 15
10 or DNF = Rossi is enough go back to his pits and start party.

I think it will depends on Pedrosa, MM, Ducati riders and of course others in the back.

Will they clear the lane for Rossi? I believe they will. What I dont know is if Ducati can battle with Lorenzo up front and of course little punk MM doing the right thing or will he wait till Rossi cataches up. :rolleyes:
 
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I think 3 = 6 is doable for Rossi but 2 = 3 or 1 = 2...almost impossible. Of course if Lorenzo falls...Rossi wins.
 
MM will intentionally crash into VR. MM has nothing to loose and has a great chance to .... VR completely :(
 
MM will intentionally crash into VR. MM has nothing to loose and has a great chance to .... VR completely :(

If that happens, I hope they ban him next year or not let him race first few races so he don't have a chance for championship
 
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Look at lap 3, Marc clearly slowed down to mess with Rossi on purpose.
 
Maybe the Italians will help Rossi. Italy probably will throw a parade for whomever crash into Lorenzo and Marc. haha.
 
I am stunned. Rossi is actually the guy contravening the regs and you are cheering Rossi? Quite the populists you lot. ArseHammer work through the lot, twice if you please! :eek:
 
This is my first year watching GP so pardon my naivete.

Is it a party foul to battle it out with someone who is in championship contention when you yourself has no shot?

If it's an unspoken rule, then by all means MM is being a ..... Otherwise, I'm not seeing the issue.
 
This is my first year watching GP so pardon my naivete.

Is it a party foul to battle it out with someone who is in championship contention when you yourself has no shot?

If it's an unspoken rule, then by all means MM is being a ..... Otherwise, I'm not seeing the issue.

MotoGP is a business, there are no unspoken rules, however there are a gazillion written rules. MM has contravened none of those, Rossi has. :cool:
 
so what is MM's penalty ¿ ¿ ¿

The fault they found with Marc (purposely slowing another rider) is not in the rule book so they didn't penalize him directly, BUT they did take Marc's fault into consideration when penalizing Rossi. So basically they penalized Marc indirectly by giving Rossi a lighter penalty.

MotoGP Race Director explains Rossi punishment

We caught up with MotoGP Race Director Mike Webb in the Sepang paddock to discuss the punishment handed to world championship leader Valentino Rossi for 'deliberate contact' with Marc Marquez in Sunday's Malaysian Grand Prix.

Rossi was given three Penalty Points for causing the clash that put Marquez down and out of the race, after which the Italian rode to third behind Dani Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo.

“I'm not going to quote what the riders said in the hearing but I can give you a general idea,” Webb began. “So from what we saw it would appear to be a deliberate move on Rossi's part to push Marquez off the track, or push him wide.

“We heard from both riders. Marquez told us that he was just riding his normal race and minding his own business, making passes on Valentino without contact. Which is true. And that he had no intention of disturbing Valentino.

“Valentino on the other side said it was clear to him that Marc was deliberately slowing down the pace and making it difficult for Valentino to race. That he deliberately ran wide in the turn in order to give himself an advantage in order to get away from Marquez.

“Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides.

“Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

“Valentino reacted to what he saw as provocation from Marquez and unfortunately his reaction was a manoeuvre that was against the rules. It's irresponsible riding, causing a crash. So he's been penalised for that. We believe the contact was deliberate. He says he did not want Marquez to crash, but he did want to run him wide.”

No decision was taken during the actual race as Webb said he wanted to speak to both riders and watch the video replays at length.

Asked about Rossi appearing to kick-out at Marquez, causing the fall, the New Zealander replied:

“Rossi's evidence is that his foot came off the foot-peg as a result of the contact. From all the video evidence there is no clear shot that definitely shows that his foot slipped off the foot-peg because of contact or that he deliberately kicked. I don't have that as a 'smoking gun' if you like.”

Because Rossi already has one Penalty Point he will be forced to start the Valencia season finale from the back of the grid.

In terms of the actual punishment, Webb was asked to explain why Rossi received three Penalty Points - not more or less.

"It's a precedent. The last time this happened where a rider deliberately made a manoeuvre that ended up in a crash was at Jerez this year [Hanika against Guevara]. In that case we awarded five Penalty Points because the rider [Hanika] admitted he did it deliberately and it was as a result of him being frustrated with the other rider.

“So in this case Valentino maintains he did not deliberately make the manoeuvre. However our view of the whole situation - looking at all the evidence - is that he deliberately ran wide and therefore deliberately caused the contact by trying to run Marquez off the track.

“Hanika was a blatant 'Yes, I tried to hit the other rider, I wanted to hurt him'. This case was 'I did it by mistake' but the end result was still a crash."

When deciding on the penalty, Race Direction also took into account some 'provocation' from Marquez.

"It's my opinion on the way he was riding, the lap time, my perception is that as many riders do he [Marquez] was trying to change the race," Webb said. "But I was very clear with him that he didn't break a rule. So he's not been penalised.

"However we took that into account when making the penalty on Rossi, that he certainly had some provocation. But, as I said to him, it doesn't matter what the provocation is. You can't react in a way that causes a rider to crash."


Even if Rossi had received five Penalty Points at Sepang it would have had the same back-of-the-grid outcome for Valencia. Only if Rossi had been given six or more Penalty Points (to add to the Penalty Point from Misano) would he have triggered the next level of punishment, which is a pit lane start.

Rossi will take a seven point lead over team-mate Lorenzo into the title showdown.

Lorenzo described Rossi's punishment as "unfair" and believes he should have faced a much harsher sanction, while Rossi felt "disappointed" at the penalty.

The Marquez-Rossi feud had been simmering since the Italian slammed the Spaniard in Thursday's pre-event press conference, claiming Marquez had tried to help Lorenzo at Phillip Island.

“We weren't really concerned with [Marquez's] Phillip Island race, especially given what Marc said about having problems with his front tyre, then things came back and he went as fast as he could and won the race," Webb said.

“So it's hard to understand that was a deliberate attempt to slow Rossi down. We didn't see it that way.

“I have a different opinion about today's race. I think he [Marquez] was doing something like that, but many riders in many classes do the same thing and there isn't a rule against it.”
 
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the rest doesnt matter

It will be a very interesting race for sure. Lorenzo is in a difficult position. He can try to break away early, but Dani, Iannone, and MM have nothing to lose so they can afford to ride at maximum pace. Lorenzo has to ensure he makes no mistakes so he might find himself behind the Repsols while Rossi makes his way though the grid.
 
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The fault they found with Marc (purposely slowing another rider) is not in the rule book so they didn't penalize him directly, BUT they did take Marc's fault into consideration when penalizing Rossi. So basically they penalized Marc indirectly by giving Rossi a lighter penalty.

logic: if MM did nothing to break the rules, then why even take anything he did into account?

and your logic, "So basically they penalized Marc indirectly by giving Rossi a lighter penalty." makes little sense bc MM isn't in the running to win the championship so it's no net penalty directly to MM whatsoever.

a penalty adjusting R to a 4th place finish point-wise would have been closer to equitable with a chance to race to win...
 
logic: if MM did nothing to break the rules, then why even take anything he did into account?

and your logic, "So basically they penalized Marc indirectly by giving Rossi a lighter penalty." makes little sense bc MM isn't in the running to win the championship so it's no net penalty directly to MM whatsoever.

a penalty adjusting R to a 4th place finish point-wise would have been closer to equitable with a chance to race to win...

Because everything isn't in the rulebook. Pedrosa spoke about that during the post race conference.
 
Because everything isn't in the rulebook. Pedrosa spoke about that during the post race conference.

what is this "everything", for if it is not in the rulebook, then it is as vague as it is a non-rule.

but if you reconsider my previous comment, then you may appreciate that MM was in no way penalized, directly nor indirectly..

ps: danny-boy aint an official anyhow...
 
what is this "everything", for if it is not in the rulebook, then it is as vague as it is a non-rule.

but if you reconsider my previous comment, then you may appreciate that MM was in no way penalized, directly nor indirectly..

ps: danny-boy aint an official anyhow...

I posted Race direction's (Mike Webb) statements. He said he found fault with Marc for prevoking Rossi and took that into consideration when penalizing Rossi. What's done is done, the decision has been made.
 

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