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Eleven 99 said:
I posted Race direction's (Mike Webb) statements. He said he found fault with Marc for prevoking Rossi and took that into consideration when penalizing Rossi. What's done is done, the decision has been made.
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13 dayz fer a legal appeal -- lawyer up R & try a la Brady... :D:p
 
VAST said:
13 dayz fer a legal appeal -- lawyer up R & try a la Brady... :D:p
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The appeal was denied in about 45 minutes.


Yamaha's Lin Jarvis shares his views on the #SepangClash at the Malaysian GP and explains the situation.
Movistar Yamaha's Managing Director Lin Jarvis gives us his verdict on Race Direction's decision on the Rossi/Marquez incident at the Shell Malaysian Grand Prix, plus how they plan to appeal:

What's your reaction to the Penalty against Valentino?
"I think that what happened today, the incident on track was the result of at least a couple of races of fierce competition between Marc Marquez and Valentino Rossi. From the first race in Phillip Island it has led to the accusation the Valentino made the other day about Marc's attempt to control the race and attempt to influence the Championship and I think that what we saw in the race was the revenge of Marc Marquez towards Valentino's statements in the media.

So whilst, if you analyse the race in details today and you study every move that Marc did, there was nothing illegal about any single move, but I think you have to see the bigger picture and you have to question the motivation of the style of race and the way and the attempt of Marc to clearly disturb Valentino to the maximum. Finally that resulted in an overflow of frustration by Valentino and that boiled over and he made a move that was an incorrect move by taking Marc out to the side of the track. Then unfortunately Marc deicide to turn in hit the leg, that caused an incident and Marc fell off.

I am very sad that the incident resulted in the crash of another rider. I think that Valentino was found, shall we say, the one in the race that did a manoeuvre that was not legal. This was finally the result and that's why he was penalised.

He was given a penalty initially of three penalty points, which is you add that together with the one he already has it creates four points which means he will start at the back of the grid in Valencia. So anyway, our job as a team is to defend the interest of our riders, so whilst we cannot deny that Valentino's move was not the sort of move we want to see in MotoGP at that time. At the same time we feel that the penalty is quite harsh, to give three points when normally Valentino is not a dirty rider. He is not a rider that creates issues and problems for other people, so as a team we appealed to the FIM to the first decision of the Race Direction. Then Valentino was heard by the FIM, then the FIM also consulted Race Direction, then the FUIM also consulted Marc Marquez and Honda and finally after a period of forty-five minutes or something we have the results of the appeal and it's been rejected.

So the original penalty of three points against Valentino stands and in the appeal process, if you have a decision of Race Direction you can then take an appeal to the FIM steward. If the FIM Steward rejects your appeal and agrees with the original decision, it's no longer appealable. It's final, so case closed."

From the helicopter images you can see Marquez touched Valentino's leg and Rossi said this made his foot slip and he wasn't kicking Marc, do you agree with this?
"It is not only what I have seen, but what Valentino has told me. In this case I think the images back it up. A kick is generally an aggressive forward motion; in this case his leg went off the back and basically Valentino said he was touched and his leg went off the footrest and flicked out. I don't think it's probably very wise to kick a 157kg RC213V."

Do you think Rossi's actions were justified?
"I am not defending his actions. This is why he received the penalty as it was judged that this was not a move within the rules of racing."
 
Eleven 99 said:
The appeal was denied in about 45 minutes.


Yamaha's Lin Jarvis shares his views on the #SepangClash at the Malaysian GP and explains the situation.
Movistar Yamaha's Managing Director Lin Jarvis gives us his verdict on Race Direction's decision on the Rossi/Marquez incident at the Shell Malaysian Grand Prix, plus how they plan to appeal:

What's your reaction to the Penalty against Valentino?
"I think that what happened today, the incident on track was the result of at least a couple of races of fierce competition between Marc Marquez and Valentino Rossi. From the first race in Phillip Island it has led to the accusation the Valentino made the other day about Marc's attempt to control the race and attempt to influence the Championship and I think that what we saw in the race was the revenge of Marc Marquez towards Valentino's statements in the media.

So whilst, if you analyse the race in details today and you study every move that Marc did, there was nothing illegal about any single move, but I think you have to see the bigger picture and you have to question the motivation of the style of race and the way and the attempt of Marc to clearly disturb Valentino to the maximum. Finally that resulted in an overflow of frustration by Valentino and that boiled over and he made a move that was an incorrect move by taking Marc out to the side of the track. Then unfortunately Marc deicide to turn in hit the leg, that caused an incident and Marc fell off.

I am very sad that the incident resulted in the crash of another rider. I think that Valentino was found, shall we say, the one in the race that did a manoeuvre that was not legal. This was finally the result and that's why he was penalised.

He was given a penalty initially of three penalty points, which is you add that together with the one he already has it creates four points which means he will start at the back of the grid in Valencia. So anyway, our job as a team is to defend the interest of our riders, so whilst we cannot deny that Valentino's move was not the sort of move we want to see in MotoGP at that time. At the same time we feel that the penalty is quite harsh, to give three points when normally Valentino is not a dirty rider. He is not a rider that creates issues and problems for other people, so as a team we appealed to the FIM to the first decision of the Race Direction. Then Valentino was heard by the FIM, then the FIM also consulted Race Direction, then the FUIM also consulted Marc Marquez and Honda and finally after a period of forty-five minutes or something we have the results of the appeal and it's been rejected.

So the original penalty of three points against Valentino stands and in the appeal process, if you have a decision of Race Direction you can then take an appeal to the FIM steward. If the FIM Steward rejects your appeal and agrees with the original decision, it's no longer appealable. It's final, so case closed."

From the helicopter images you can see Marquez touched Valentino's leg and Rossi said this made his foot slip and he wasn't kicking Marc, do you agree with this?
"It is not only what I have seen, but what Valentino has told me. In this case I think the images back it up. A kick is generally an aggressive forward motion; in this case his leg went off the back and basically Valentino said he was touched and his leg went off the footrest and flicked out. I don't think it's probably very wise to kick a 157kg RC213V."

Do you think Rossi's actions were justified?
"I am not defending his actions. This is why he received the penalty as it was judged that this was not a move within the rules of racing."
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i meant w/ lawyers...
 
The last bit of the race directors words for those who did not read it: "I have a different opinion about today's race. I think he [Marquez] was doing something like that, but many riders in many classes do the same thing and there isn't a rule against it." :D
 
Claymore said:
The last bit of the race directors words for those who did not read it: "I have a different opinion about today's race. I think he [Marquez] was doing something like that, but many riders in many classes do the same thing and there isn't a rule against it." :D
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Doesnt that fall under riding the racing line slowing another rider down intentionally rule rossi got penalized for in Qual? Also any word on why Jlo wasn't penalized for passing under a caution? Most riders get a ride through for that.
 
0612Devil said:
This is my first year watching GP so pardon my naivete.

Is it a party foul to battle it out with someone who is in championship contention when you yourself has no shot?

If it's an unspoken rule, then by all means MM is being a ..... Otherwise, I'm not seeing the issue.
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it is generally considered extremely bad form. but there's no rule against it. but a "clean, moral" racer will not directly interfere with racers in championship contention.
 
Mike they say that the waving yellow wasn't out when the pass was initiated. So there was nothing to penalize
 
Still trying guys I like the effort. The chickens have come home to roost. Rossi has done all this his entire career. Just check out the 2010 season. No shot of winning and how he rode against JLO. Yes they were also teammates. Bottom line if rossi is the best pass marquez and you won't have to worry about him in front of you
 
b9009b said:
Doesnt that fall under riding the racing line slowing another rider down intentionally rule rossi got penalized for in Qual? Also any word on why Jlo wasn't penalized for passing under a caution? Most riders get a ride through for that.
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I am not the race director, would not know. :D
 
mark419ny said:
Still trying guys I like the effort. The chickens have come home to roost. Rossi has done all this his entire career. Just check out the 2010 season. No shot of winning and how he rode against JLO. Yes they were also teammates. Bottom line if rossi is the best pass marquez and you won't have to worry about him in front of you
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He did pass Marquez (several times), but it's really not that simple. Understand that Rossi had more to lose than Marquez so had to use a different level of risk management when it came to pace. Marc should have had no problem pulling away from Rossi since he was free to ride with as much risk as he wanted. Instead he chose to stay and toy with Rossi.

I suspect Lorenzo could have caught up with Dani if he was willing to risk more, but Dani had nothing to lose so the differences in risk management benefited Dani.
 
Reaching 1199 he past and couldn't hold. That's like hitting a home run then your pitcher walks 2 and gives a 3 run blast. Only good for the moment. He isn't the fastest rider period hasn't been for years. Things broke his way this year. Injuries some weird things also. It happens. That's why it's 18 races. 4 victories makes a champion not especially if your competition has 5 or in this case 6
 
Let's talk facts not emotion ok I'd love to see the answers. Who has
most victories
Most poles
Most front row starts least front rows
Fastest sectors
Top speed
Laps lead
I know the answer to most of them. Answer them honestly. Let's see how many rossi leads.
When you come up with the answer tell me how you think a guy that leads in none of them should be considered the best this year.
Pesky facts really do suck unless they prove your point
 
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mark419ny said:
Reaching 1199 he past and couldn't hold. That's like hitting a home run then your pitcher walks 2 and gives a 3 run blast. Only good for the moment. He isn't the fastest rider period hasn't been for years. Things broke his way this year. Injuries some weird things also. It happens. That's why it's 18 races. 4 victories makes a champion not especially if your competition has 5 or in this case 6
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It's not always about being the fastest. Marc is faster, but look at how he's no longer in the running for the championship. Marc takes more risks thus has had more trips to the gravel traps. Rossi's pace is dictated by how much risk he is willing to take and that earned consistent podiums and a chance to win the championship. Marc can WIN more, but he also DNF's more.
 
mark419ny said:
When you come up with the answer tell me how you think a guy that leads in none of them should be considered the best this year.
Pesky facts really do suck unless they prove your point
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Consistency and being the best racer this year. Plain and simple. Here's my main issue with it. You(MM) arent in title contention. Why are battling with a dude that is and deliberately slowing him down. There is that gentleman's rule in MotoGP.. Not in it stay the .... out of the way. Let him and Jlo race it out. MM is fast enough to have been up front with Dani and this would be no issue at all. But he has decided 2 races in a row to slow down and be a ........ For whatever his childish reason is it doesn't matter. If your faster GTFO of the way, if not GTFO his way and let the dudes race and see who is the Champ.
 
So if you were on the last place pic a team and you were playing the best team going for home field advantage do you try or just say here.
 
Rossi can't beat any of the Spaniards that's a fact he has won here and there but isn't as fast. Danny has half the wins rossi does in half the races
 
mark419ny said:
So if you were on the last place pic a team and you were playing the best team going for home field advantage do you try or just say here.
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Hell no I go for it. But MM didnt do that.. Remember in a few laps at the end of PI when he "had no grip BS" he caught Jlo and passed his ... on a lap record pace and won the race.. As soon as he let Jlo by in Malaysia he kept looking back to Rossi and everytime he passed Rossi he kept doing it. That shows intent dude no matter which way you swing it.
 

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