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I'm considering getting slip ons or the full system. Not sure which one. Couple questions: is there a noticable difference in performance gains between the two, considering that i am not going to race it competitivley. If so, can you describe where? Low end torque, throttle response, etc.. From the vidoes i see, there seems to be a noticable difference in sound.
Also saw a post on one of the boards where soemone got a fully system for much lower than retail (3,500) but thr poster didnt want to say where because the dealer wasn't supposed to sell it with such a deep cut. If anyone knows where you can find it for lower than the 3,500, send me a PM..
Also saw a post on one of the boards where soemone got a fully system for much lower than retail (3,500) but thr poster didnt want to say where because the dealer wasn't supposed to sell it with such a deep cut. If anyone knows where you can find it for lower than the 3,500, send me a PM..
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Testing by the shops in my area indicate that the Termis provide an increase of 8% in peak horsepower. The 70mm header seems to provide a 1-2% increase in peak power. Running is better too, since the DP ECU maps are non-EPA approved.
If you look on Ebay you'll see dealers selling Termi silencers and full exhausts for the bike at "Best Offer" rates. This is one way to find out what discounting is possible. Another thing to think about when looking for a discount is install of the silencers is a 3.5 hr. book rate job and installation of the full system is a 4.5 hr. book rate job. Comments by the people who have done the installations, seem to indicate that it takes practice to do the job within the book time. If you do not intend to do the job yourself, many dealers seem to be willing to do the installs for free as part of delivery and setup and if you've already taken delivery, it is worth seeing if you can get a discount on installation.
Another alternative to get performance and running improvement is to get a PCV when they become available or to get your ECU remapped when your local tuner(s) figure out how to do this. The 1199 seems to suffer from EPA driven fueling. This is another cost factor to consider when buying silencers or a full exhaust as anything which provides any real performance improvement is going to require changes to the fueling map. The cost of a PCV or ECU remapping, should be added to the cost of any silencers that do not include a new ECU map, like the map included with the Termis.
If you look on Ebay you'll see dealers selling Termi silencers and full exhausts for the bike at "Best Offer" rates. This is one way to find out what discounting is possible. Another thing to think about when looking for a discount is install of the silencers is a 3.5 hr. book rate job and installation of the full system is a 4.5 hr. book rate job. Comments by the people who have done the installations, seem to indicate that it takes practice to do the job within the book time. If you do not intend to do the job yourself, many dealers seem to be willing to do the installs for free as part of delivery and setup and if you've already taken delivery, it is worth seeing if you can get a discount on installation.
Another alternative to get performance and running improvement is to get a PCV when they become available or to get your ECU remapped when your local tuner(s) figure out how to do this. The 1199 seems to suffer from EPA driven fueling. This is another cost factor to consider when buying silencers or a full exhaust as anything which provides any real performance improvement is going to require changes to the fueling map. The cost of a PCV or ECU remapping, should be added to the cost of any silencers that do not include a new ECU map, like the map included with the Termis.
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Is that an 8% increase with the slip on's?? Seems kinda high for just the slip on's.
I ended up getting the slip on's. Had them installed by the dealer while the bike was in for it's 600 mile service. Louder than stock, but not by much (I'm going off what I hear, I haven't had it measured). The tone is deeper, i love the new sound. Also feels like there is much more torque in the lower rev range. I followed the manual and kept it under 6,000 for the break in, so I can't comment on what the power felt like above 6,000 before, but man, you can really feel more power kick in above 6,000.
I've read a lot of posts from people saying they were disappointed by the lack of low end and mid range torque. Wondering if these people are forming this opinion by just reading posted charts or from experiencing the bike on the road. I'm coming off a '08 1098 with slip on termi's, race ECU and race air filter, and I can say the 1199 feels noticeably faster. No difference in torque in the mid range that I can feel, but the 1199 feels like it has endless and effortless power way up the rev range. You almost need to train yourself not to up shift as you hear the revs climb. On the 1098, hearing that amount of engine rev would prompt me to up shift, but on the 1199, you can just keep climbing AND gain more power.
A friend of mine has a tricolore being picked up in a week or so. He will have the full system. I can't wait to actually experience the difference between the full system and the slip ons.
I ended up getting the slip on's. Had them installed by the dealer while the bike was in for it's 600 mile service. Louder than stock, but not by much (I'm going off what I hear, I haven't had it measured). The tone is deeper, i love the new sound. Also feels like there is much more torque in the lower rev range. I followed the manual and kept it under 6,000 for the break in, so I can't comment on what the power felt like above 6,000 before, but man, you can really feel more power kick in above 6,000.
I've read a lot of posts from people saying they were disappointed by the lack of low end and mid range torque. Wondering if these people are forming this opinion by just reading posted charts or from experiencing the bike on the road. I'm coming off a '08 1098 with slip on termi's, race ECU and race air filter, and I can say the 1199 feels noticeably faster. No difference in torque in the mid range that I can feel, but the 1199 feels like it has endless and effortless power way up the rev range. You almost need to train yourself not to up shift as you hear the revs climb. On the 1098, hearing that amount of engine rev would prompt me to up shift, but on the 1199, you can just keep climbing AND gain more power.
A friend of mine has a tricolore being picked up in a week or so. He will have the full system. I can't wait to actually experience the difference between the full system and the slip ons.
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Please report. My tricolore will be coming later and if full system is better (which i doubt) then i'll get the headers. I'll be mostly using it on the street so gaining at few km/h on top end doesn't mean anything to me for if usable torque or sound doesn't change.
Picking up Base with ABS next week. Was thinking about Termi Slip ons/Race ECU. Had Termi Slip ons/Race ECU on my 1198 and had noticeable torque above 6K. Not sure about 1199 though, I would imagine with most powerful design ever, it should be pretty good. I may not do many track days on 1199, is it really worth the money for street?
Dealer said it is louder and couple of them swapped back to stock since it is not really a upgrade for street.
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My bad not 8%, 4%. Ducati says the full system is good for 5%. The point is the majority of the improvement from the full system comes from the silencers.
There isn't a publicly available race ECU. The Termi slip ons and full system come with a different ECU map. They are not approved for road use, so they should provide better partial throttle fueling than the stock map which has to meet emissions requirements.
Next week my bike goes to my tuner to see if the map provided with the Termi silencers can be improved. The tables for the 1199 Mitsubishi ECU have been hacked and last week work began on remapping the ECU. Full this thread to see what comes of the effort. Panigale remapping ecu - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum
There isn't a publicly available race ECU. The Termi slip ons and full system come with a different ECU map. They are not approved for road use, so they should provide better partial throttle fueling than the stock map which has to meet emissions requirements.
Next week my bike goes to my tuner to see if the map provided with the Termi silencers can be improved. The tables for the 1199 Mitsubishi ECU have been hacked and last week work began on remapping the ECU. Full this thread to see what comes of the effort. Panigale remapping ecu - Ducati.ms - The Ultimate Ducati Forum
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