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Hey,

Finally heading back to the track after a year long wait. Can anyone give me some advice regarding the best setup for DTC/EBC etc and also tire pressure for the supercorases?

I remember reading somewhere that the EBC is best switch off on the track?
 
kaido said:
Hey,

Finally heading back to the track after a year long wait. Can anyone give me some advice regarding the best setup for DTC/EBC etc and also tire pressure for the supercorases?

I remember reading somewhere that the EBC is best switch off on the track?
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I remember reading a post Jarel put up a long long time ago. There is some good advice in the manual about the DTC settings matched to Pirelli tyres. I am sure Ducati put some thought into this.

I have only been on the track twice but used the default sport settings. I was not racing only zipping round for fun. There are so many thoughts on tyre pressure that I just go with the Pirelli recommended set cold. I do 3 laps before I put any speed on to warm them up.

I am sure some people with some real racing experience will chime in pretty quickly. I would suggest reading that section in the manual.
 
For track use with the stock Pirelli tires, DTC level 2 is what you want. For EBC, that's personal preference. OFF will give you full engine braking, such as you have no EBC, which can make the bike less stable under hard braking. I prefer EBC Level 3 for the track myself.
 
Can't speak to DTC since I run dunlops, but agree with Jarel on EBC. On a fast track where you're dumping 3 or 4 gears quickly, EBC 3. Technical tracks I like EBC 2. No EBC the rear gets real squirrely.
 
Jarel so do i..

ebc off is for point and shoot riding style.. the back will come around...
 
I had my cold tire temp set up at 28front 26rear recommended by Pirelli track vendor. My DTC is at 3, I had EBC at 2(next time I'm trying 3) and I use the Race map.
 
thanks guys!

Just did my track day yesterday ended up going with the following setting

195Hi, EBC 3, ABS 2 and DTC 5 and 4.

Found DTC 5 was good at for the 1st few session but then i felt it kicking in too much so a drop it down to 4 which was better but still kicking in alot but not really cutting the power as much as 5. Would have drop it lower but was the 1st time out since having the exhaust, retune and flywheel done and .... me the bike has so much more usable power, being able to roll on the throttle mid turn and have the torque right there feels so much better!
 
Just so everyone understands, if you're on the track and you have DTC set to anything above Level 2, you are not using DTC the way it is intended. You're forcing the system to overreact and it may seem "safer" to have it kicking in so much, but it's actually the opposite because the system is not going to be predictable in that situation, particularly at high lean angles. I do understand the logic in assuming that the response of the system is linear, in other words that each level higher just has the system engaging sooner to cut wheelspin, but that's not actually how it works. The system is programmed with response maps for each level that determines when and how the system kicks in. Level 1 and 2 have maps designed for track riding, which is significantly different from street riding (levels 3-8). My advice would be to set it on Level 2 and leave it there and get used to riding the bike, otherwise you're going to find that when you start lowering the DTC level further the response of the bike is going to be dramatically different.
 
jarelj said:
Just so everyone understands, if you're on the track and you have DTC set to anything above Level 2, you are not using DTC the way it is intended. You're forcing the system to overreact and it may seem "safer" to have it kicking in so much, but it's actually the opposite because the system is not going to be predictable in that situation, particularly at high lean angles. I do understand the logic in assuming that the response of the system is linear, in other words that each level higher just has the system engaging sooner to cut wheelspin, but that's not actually how it works. The system is programmed with response maps for each level that determines when and how the system kicks in. Level 1 and 2 have maps designed for track riding, which is significantly different from street riding (levels 3-8). My advice would be to set it on Level 2 and leave it there and get used to riding the bike, otherwise you're going to find that when you start lowering the DTC level further the response of the bike is going to be dramatically different.
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thanks for that info :) Good to know for future track days. tbh the power and torque of the bike is way to much for me, the track is very short and only 2 straights and i wasn't even WOT on them, i just wanted the safest setting for me :)
 
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Yes, that's what I was referring to, it's not "Safer" running DTC an an unnaturally high level, it's actually less safe because the system is not predictable, especially at the deeper lean angles you can get on the track. The last thing you want is to go into a tighter turn at a deep lean angle, crack the gas open at the apex and have the bike hesitate and stutter, that can actually cause a crash. If all you're trying to do is prevent the rear tire from spinning up and stepping out on you as you get on the gas, level 2 will do that for you, that's what it's designed for. If you want to tame the power output down, then just go into the throttle setting and put it on 120 LOW in Race mode. That's what I would do on a really tight/short track, you should be able to have a blast with it like that.
 
jarelj said:
Yes, that's what I was referring to, it's not "Safer" running DTC an an unnaturally high level, it's actually less safe because the system is not predictable, especially at the deeper lean angles you can get on the track. The last thing you want is to go into a tighter turn at a deep lean angle, crack the gas open at the apex and have the bike hesitate and stutter, that can actually cause a crash. If all you're trying to do is prevent the rear tire from spinning up and stepping out on you as you get on the gas, level 2 will do that for you, that's what it's designed for. If you want to tame the power output down, then just go into the throttle setting and put it on 120 LOW in Race mode. That's what I would do on a really tight/short track, you should be able to have a blast with it like that.
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Awesome! thanks for replying! well definitely set it at 2 for my next track day :)

any advice regarding EBC?
 
kaido said:
Awesome! thanks for replying! well definitely set it at 2 for my next track day :)

any advice regarding EBC?
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EBC is more of a personal preference for your riding style. If you have a smooth cornering style you'll probably prefer EBC on a higher level, I prefer it on 3. If you were doing more of a point-and-shoot style relying on the enging braking to drag the rear around on corner entry to square off the corner, then you'd want it turned off. I think it's good training when you're starting off on the track to not rely on engine braking to slow you down, and use the front brake properly instead, so I'd say try 2 or 3 and get used to having less enging braking.
 
jarelj said:
EBC is more of a personal preference for your riding style. If you have a smooth cornering style you'll probably prefer EBC on a higher level, I prefer it on 3. If you were doing more of a point-and-shoot style relying on the enging braking to drag the rear around on corner entry to square off the corner, then you'd want it turned off. I think it's good training when you're starting off on the track to not rely on engine braking to slow you down, and use the front brake properly instead, so I'd say try 2 or 3 and get used to having less enging braking.
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Any advice for DTC settings on the street?
 
Prince Albert said:
Any advice for DTC settings on the street?
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Not really, you can pick your poison on that, really just depends on what kind of riding surfaces you have (how slippery) and what kind of riding you're doing. If you have grippy aggressive canyon roads to ride on and you're hitting them hard, then you'll probably prefer it at a lower level and if you're riding in the rain or when it's really cold out then higher level. 3-6 are considered "normal" street riding levels, and 7-8 are very slick/rain conditions.
 

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