TuneBoy trim files help needed

flipper24196 said:

Jim, I started a thread of my own similar to this, I'm kind of in the same boat. I have a full Termi ready to go on with no 'up map key' so I'm wondering the same as I am going from completely stock map. I too am waiting for a response from Wayne. I would appreciated it if you could let me know if you come up with any answers, I will of course do likewise if I come up with anything.

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why don't you just take it to Ducati and have them upload the latest map? You don't need the Key. I never take mine.

ScrapperX, I did indeed go to my Ducati dealer, and asked the best tech they have if he could download it from his Ducati computer. He said he didn't think he could do it, but I felt at the time he wasn't 100% sure of that. Do you know for a fact differently? I originally went there with that plan in mind, so if you feel otherwise, I will try again with this new information from you. Thanks much for the assistance.

SPJ said:

Hi Jim,

My understanding is that the Tuneboy program applies the 'Trim' to whichever map is loaded and active. In this case I think you are correct, it is applying the trim on top of your slip on map rather than the full Termi you have fitted.

Doug is right that the 0206 software is flashed into the ECU with the Tuneboy FlashMitsubishi program. My understanding (and I might be wrong!) is that the 0206 software (or whichever version) contains all the different maps for Wet/Sport/Race modes and different exhaust configurations - standard, slip ons and full Termi. 9 maps in total. The USB stick provided simply tells the bike which exhaust configuration you have and which maps to use.

Your problem as I understand it is to get the bike to recognise you have the full Termi fitted. 3 options I suppose
1) Get hold of another USB stick that will unlock the full Termi for your bike.
2) Have the bike dyno'd and a specific trim file created for your bike on top of the Termi Slip On map so you know the fuelling is correct.
3) Live with it!

I'm not sure how different the full Termi map is compared to the slip on map. Perhaps someone else can comment?

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Hi Jim,

I haven't been paying much attention lately so missed you're thread, I was going to pen a response then saw SPJ's and he has nailed it 100% so there isn't much I can add to it really. He sums it up nicely.

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SPJ said:

Sorry, a bit out of my depth when it comes to how the USB works!

I'm speculating now but I think when it's plugged in it will either unlock the designated map or return the bike to standard, the opposite of the last function performed.

I don't know what would happen if you were to borrow another USB, especially as the last time that USB was used it would probably have been to unlock the full map. Maybe plugging it in twice would have the desired effect, I wouldn't want to be the one to try it! I'd be surprised/disappointed though if they didn't transfer between bikes, most racers would want to be able to take the exhaust system to a new bike or sell it on eventually.

Best bet is probably to find a friendly dealer and ask. As it's software I'm sure there must be a solution somewhere. Good luck!

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AFAIK the 'logical' operating model for the USB keys can be thought of like this: Plug in the USB to the bike and a 'key' is 'transfered' to the bike which 'unlocks' and map bundle already programmed into the ECU. Remove the USB and the 'key' remains on the bike and cannot be used by another. Reinsert the USB for a return to standard. The 'key' is 'returned' to the USB and the Racing/RacingEVO map bundle is disabled. The USB can now be sold with the headers and used on another machine (Base/S/Tri)

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Pouakai, are you aware whether or not the upgrade/unlock the ECU programming from slipon to full Termi system can be done by the dealer, thereby doing the job of the usb key?

HarmonyJim said:

ScrapperX, I did indeed go to my Ducati dealer, and asked the best tech they have if he could download it from his Ducati computer. He said he didn't think he could do it, but I felt at the time he wasn't 100% sure of that. Do you know for a fact differently? I originally went there with that plan in mind, so if you feel otherwise, I will try again with this new information from you. Thanks much for the assistance.

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Yes Ducati can upload the maps with their computer without the USB stick. I have played around with mine uploading new maps and I went to Ducati to reload the full Termi map without the USB stick several times already.

HarmonyJim said:

flipper24196, I will let you know. As of today, still not a word from Wayne. I find it incredible that I can buy a product (not a cheap one at that), but getting at least a simple acknowledgement that he will get back with me when he has time seems an impossibility. My original (second one sent a week ago) email is two days shy of a full month ago!! A perfect illustration of absolutely abysmal customer service. I can only imagine what would transpire if anything warranty related was involved. Others out there considering this system - beware, you are on your own. Great product, terrible service. My favorite reply from him so far was a curt "read the manual" - gee, its only 140 pages long, and for someone who is not especially a techy (I did recently graduate the Univ of Calif with a 3.98 GPA, so I don't think I'm especially dense), is akin to a combo of Greek and ancient Hebrew. Enough with the venting, but a month is too long!

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I hear you Jim, obviously he doesn't rely on it for a living (or at least not the Ducati side of things) I agree it seems to be an excellent product (I've held off buying it partly because of the feedback here) but sometimes the guy's with the technical know how don't have the marketing skills or people skills going by the "read the manual" comment (they say there's a fine line between genius and madness ). I'd say he could go a long way if he got someone in to look after marketing and the website etc. I wish I had his abilities, I'd be surrounding myself with good people and really put myself out in the market place.

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ScrapperX said:

Yes Ducati can upload the maps with their computer without the USB stick. I have played around with mine uploading new maps and I went to Ducati to reload the full Termi map without the USB stick several times already.

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That's great to hear I'll try that (I dread to think what they'll charge me if I have to go through the HD service manager )
Thanks for the input Scrapper

ScrapperX, thanks so much for the information. Now I can go back to my dealer's tech and inform him that it is indeed possible to do. He's a good guy, but they don't sell or work on many Panigales - especially modified ones. Thanks again for the help.

ScrapperX said:

Yes Ducati can upload the maps with their computer without the USB stick. I have played around with mine uploading new maps and I went to Ducati to reload the full Termi map without the USB stick several times already.

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Yes they can load new or updated 'maps'** via the DDS but what these guys (flipper,HJ) need is then the ability to unlock the performance UP-MAP embedded within the updated 'map' which I think cannot be done without a USBKEY

** The nomenclature around maps is often misleading. When DDS or any third party flashes or uploads a new 'map' to the ECU they actually
reprogram the ECU with a complete new 'firmware' image. A firmware image is a lot like software only it's semi permanent, it contains all the the program code for the CPU in the ECU as well as many many maps which are organized into 'bundles'. The bundles contain a set of maps which work together for a specific machine configuration eg. Full termi.
'UP-MAP ' is the Ducati given name for the process of switching from one map bundle to another further UP the performance ladder using a USB key whereas a 'map update' is the process of updating from one ECU firmware image to later one via(typically) the DDS(Ducati Diagnostic System)

Clear as mud ?
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HarmonyJim said:

Pouakai, are you aware whether or not the upgrade/unlock the ECU programming from slipon to full Termi system can be done by the dealer, thereby doing the job of the usb key?

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AFAIK it can not. Only map updates NOT 'Up-maps' (seem my other post for explanation of the difference)
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Pouakai said:

Yes they can load new or updated 'maps'** via the DDS but what these guys (flipper,HJ) need is then the ability to unlock the performance UP-MAP embedded within the updated 'map' which I think cannot be done without a USBKEY

** The nomenclature around maps is often misleading. When DDS or any third party flashes or uploads a new 'map' to the ECU they actually
reprogram the ECU with a complete new 'firmware' image. A firmware image is a lot like software only it's semi permanent, it contains all the the program code for the CPU in the ECU as well as many many maps which are organized into 'bundles'. The bundles contain a set of maps which work together for a specific machine configuration eg. Full termi.
'UP-MAP ' is the Ducati given name for the process of switching from one map bundle to another further UP the performance ladder using a USB key whereas a 'map update' is the process of updating from one ECU firmware image to later one via(typically) the DDS(Ducati Diagnostic System)

Clear as mud ?
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Cheers, great explanation, really helpful. Thanks.

veck said:

Where did you see the download link where it was showing usb1/2/3 ?

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they were inside the ZIP file inside the download link within the email

Sorry I haven't been following this thread since my early post.
Ray and I have been wondering the same things about the 1199R vs earlier 1199 (including 2013 'other models.)

The 206 tunefile is assumed to work with the upmap key. Wayne says his software doesn't interfere with the basic operation of the system.
However, after the Tuneboy tune Ray doesn't get the 'Race" dash message that he used to with the stock cal. Make us wonder?!?
Maybe the Tuneboy tunefile is from tha Australian bikes and they don't have the message when the Race Slip-on upmap key is used. Any of you Aussies with the Termi slip-ons please chime in.

The 1199R uses a different version of firmware than the previous ones and the curious thing about Tuneboy is that it offers a 'key 1', key 2', and 'key 3' version of the tunefile.
Keep in mind, this is for the 'R' only.

If a person were to purchase a different exhaust without an upmap key, Tuneboy tuning would get you an excellent result, but your Tuneboy trim file would only work for that exhaust with the same upmap version as the bike that was tuned.

Wish I know all this stuff, I hate stabbing around in the dark.