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Why is there ethanol in my gas? - Common Tread - RevZilla

Ethanol is kind of a dirty word in motorcycle circles. You may have heard your mechanic criticize it. The American Motorcyclist Association keeps warning us about it. And I've promised our own Lemmy I'll unleash him tomorrow so he can go off on his own rant about it.

So what's it all about? By all means, you'll want to read Lemmy's rant (he may look like a big, unkempt teddy bear in those videos, but he can put on a nasty scowl when provoked). You'll probably learn some wrenching stuff, as well as be entertained. But first, let's look at the basics of ethanol.

Just about all the gas you buy today is really 90 percent gasoline and 10 percent ethanol (E10) as mandated by the Renewable Fuel Standard, which is implemented by the Environmental Protection Agency. This standard has been in place for a decade and has gained support from Congress with the backing of both Presidents Bush and Obama.

Now, the federal government wants even more ethanol used in the nation's fuel supply. There is wide support for introducing gasoline using up to 15 percent ethanol (E15) using "blender pumps." Most politicians from both major political parties support the idea.

The trouble is that no motorcycles are certified by the EPA to run on E15 (nor are cars made before 2001). Using E15 in your motorcycle could damage the engine and void your warranty. These warnings from Honda are just one example.

If E15 is approved, it could squeeze out E10, just as E10 has all but eliminated availability of E0 (also known as gasoline). Plus, those blender pumps mix ethanol and gasoline on site. If the person before you buys a tankful of E15 and you come along to fill up with E10, you're going to get about a third of a gallon of E15 that's still in the hose and mechanism. If you're filling a 20-gallon tank on your pre-2001 pickup truck, that little extra ethanol probably isn't going to be significant. If you're filling the peanut tank on your Sportster? Now we're talking a different situation.

At one point, the EPA even proposed that drivers be forced to buy a minimum of four gallons to avoid this problem. That would also present difficulties for riders of a lot of small-tank cruisers, but at least that proposal died.
Why is there ethanol in my gas, anyway?

First I'll give you the official answer, then I'll get into the grittier details.

Adding ethanol extends the oil supply. The first point ethanol proponents push is that it reduces the United States' dependence on imported oil. (The increase in domestic supplies due to the ability to extract formerly untappable oil through "fracking" altered that rationale for a while, but the underlying premise is still used.)

Extending gasoline with a domestically produced renewable resource creates jobs and keeps money in the country instead of sending it off to foreign oil producers.

The carbon dioxide emitted by burning ethanol is partly offset by the carbon dioxide absorbed by the plants to produce the corn. Pulling oil out of the ground only produces more carbon dioxide emissions in every step of the process.

Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, which is useful in raising the octane level of gasoline.
That all sounds good, so what's the problem?

Many of the touted benefits of ethanol are not so clear-cut.

It's not even clear we get a net gain in energy with ethanol. Growing huge quantities of corn by modern farming methods takes a lot of energy and petroleum: operating farm machinery to plant corn, apply fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides, harvest the grain, transport it to refineries and turn it into fuel. There are studies that show a net gain and others that show that it takes more energy to produce a gallon of ethanol than it yields. These calculations have so many variables that who you believe is usually more determined by your political perspective than pure science. Both sides believe the studies that bolster their case and both sides accuse scientists behind opposing studies of being biased due to financial ties and political agendas. Officially, the U.S. Department of Energy contends that ethanol adds more energy than is needed to produce it.

Another drawback of ethanol is that it has 28 percent less energy density than pure gasoline. So a vehicle running on E15, for example, will get lower fuel mileage than one running on 100 percent gasoline.

Not all environmentalists are convinced that ethanol is a good idea. An acre of corn produces just 300 gallons of ethanol. A cornfield on a modern farm is the least biodiverse site you're easily going to find, and plus there's water use, herbicides and pesticides to be considered. And as for creating jobs, less than 1.5 percent of U.S. workers are employed in all forms of agriculture, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Finally, there's the practical and ethical question of how using food for fuel affects food prices.
So again, why is there ethanol in my gas?

Two reasons: money and inattention. The money comes in the form of political donations. In the two-year Congressional election cycle ending in 2012, agribusiness interests donated $90 million to federal candidates, according to OpenSecrets.org. Among agricultural interests, corn growers ranked behind only one cotton group and the massively subsidized and protected sugar industry.

The inattention comes from most of the rest of us. The use of ethanol can be easily sold to a broad spectrum of voters, from the left to the right, by highlighting a benefit that appeals to the particular voter: it reduces greenhouse gases, creates jobs, reduces dependence on foreign oil producers, etc. There's something for almost everyone, and most voters aren't going to delve too deeply into the details before running off to do something more important, like keep up with the Kardashians.

In politics, money votes, even when most voters don't. For example, maybe the only thing that Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida on the right and Sen. Al Franken of Minnesota on the left agree on is that sugar should be subsidized by the government. Guess what's grown (in different forms) in both states.

So if members of Congress can support industries that are funneling them money and can use a variety of plausible-sounding explanations that are varied enough to appeal to voters of all political persuasions, why would ethanol not be mandated in your gasoline?
What can I do about this?

Well, the AMA is asking you to urge your representatives in Congress to support a bill that would outlaw E15.

On a practical level, web sites such as pure-gas.org provide lists of places you can buy E0. Most of these are retailers who serve boaters, farmers and others who have equipment not meant to use E10. It's not a solution, because these vendors are scattered through farm country and at marinas, usually out of the way. But it is an option.

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And finally, if E15 does show up at gas pumps near you "” be careful which button you push.
 
most agriculture gas stations sell real gas you can look online and find them it does make the pani's run much better
 
the greens (environmentalists)are the old reds (communists aka anti capitalists)
epa = libs = try to control you = do as i say not as i do

remember that puddle in your backyard is now a navigable waterway and must be regulated.
 
Brosiah, I also thank the Lord I can get 93 non-ethanol a mile down the road. I pray to God the store can keep getting it.
 
the greens (environmentalists)are the old reds (communists aka anti capitalists)
epa = libs = try to control you = do as i say not as i do

remember that puddle in your backyard is now a navigable waterway and must be regulated.

Couldn't have said this better myself!!!
 
the greens (environmentalists)are the old reds (communists aka anti capitalists)
epa = libs = try to control you = do as i say not as i do

remember that puddle in your backyard is now a navigable waterway and must be regulated.

Time to change that tin foil hat you have. Your ignorance is leaking out.....
 
You can get 93 ethanol free gas near you, that's awesome. Best I can get is 87 ethanol free gas near me (10-15 ride). I can only imagine the cost of the 93 as the 87 is crazy night
 
Alcohol is my favorite race fuel, it's cheap, $189.00 a 55 gallon drum, makes great power, allows me to run 17 to 1 compression in my sprint car engine, and if I want to tip the can it mixes readily with nitro, it keeps the engine cool too. The flip side of that is there is a lot of work that goes with running it, pickeling out the fuel system after every race ect. Alky is hydroscopic and pulls water out of the air, and that raises hell with fuel systems. EFI really doesn't like it, you also have to jet way up to run it you burn twice as much alcohol as gas.The whole ethanol in gas deal is all political and heavily subsidized by the government , paid for with our tax dollars. The watermelons (green on the outside RED on the inside) have been able to join forces with the "conservatives" on this deal because it's all about the money.
 
Lamb, the price was at 2.98/ gallon. Now it's 3.58/ gallon. I run it in all my lawn mowers. Thank heaven I don't have to buy that much at a time.
 
Lamb, the price was at 2.98/ gallon. Now it's 3.58/ gallon. I run it in all my lawn mowers. Thank heaven I don't have to buy that much at a time.

Nice, I pay $3.57 a gallon for 87 octane ethanol free gas. They don't even offer the 93 octane.... I can find race fuels but only near the different tracks
 
Any decent engine should be able to handle E15 without problems. That being said, I'd only want it as an option. I don't want to be forced to buy anything more than E10. Modern engines should have a closed loop O2 sensor. If Honda or Ducati doesn't, then shame on them.

I prefer Shell V-power. But have to admit, it's the same fuel as every other station most likely, just with Shells additive package dumped in. But in my area, it has tested out very pure. I'll have to grab my graduated cylinder and test it again soon.

You have to test it yourself locally. It's impossible to find the real scoop. In some areas, the fuel all comes from the same distributor.

There's a reason many truck manuals recommend BP's E10. Ethanol is free fuel injector cleaner. It's great at drying out your fuel tank.
 
You guys actually run 87 and 93 in your bikes? I throw fits if im stuck in the middle of no where, im running on fumes and they've only got 95, or are fuels different to yours?
 
If I could run e85 on my bikes like I've done in my cars, it would be much much better. Sure i had to upgrade injectors, fuel pump, kevlar fuel lines, micron filters but it's basically cheap race gas. And since los angeles never goes through winter, we never get degraded ethanol (e70). E85 year round. Cooler temps, no engine knock, increased engine performance with tuning. Never done it on a bike but definitely worth it over California's 91 pisstane. There needs to be more e85 stations around even though I'm lucky to have 1 a couple miles away.
 
You guys actually run 87 and 93 in your bikes? I throw fits if im stuck in the middle of no where, im running on fumes and they've only got 95, or are fuels different to yours?

U.S. octane rating is different. 93 is highest in the country and 91 is highest in California as well as some other states. If you want higher, race gas wouldbe it at 100 octane. That's about $10-$11 u.s. dollars per gallon and makes absolutely no difference on performance on a bike that's not tuned for it. Thus making it a complete waste of money. California bikes are tuned for 91 octane. I think overseas is a RON rating which is different....higher in number like 95 or 97(?).
 
You guys actually run 87 and 93 in your bikes? I throw fits if im stuck in the middle of no where, im running on fumes and they've only got 95, or are fuels different to yours?

The fuels are similar between USA and Australia, but the USA uses a different octane rating measurement.

Australia reports the Research Octane Number (RON). There is a competing standard called the Motor Octane Number (MON); which stresses the fuel more and gives approx. 10 lower rating. The US reports the average of RON and MON; so they would post approx. 5 lower octane than Australia for the same fuel.
 
The fuels are similar between USA and Australia, but the USA uses a different octane rating measurement.

Australia reports the Research Octane Number (RON). There is a competing standard called the Motor Octane Number (MON); which stresses the fuel more and gives approx. 10 lower rating. The US reports the average of RON and MON; so they would post approx. 5 lower octane than Australia for the same fuel.

Okay fair enough makes sense. So 93 is similar to our 98 and 91 is similar to our 95.
 
I contacted Shell and VP about their race fuels. Locally, VP has a dealer but only carries the leaded fuels. You can order it over the internet, but you have to buy it in bulk to make it worth it. And then there's the problem of storing it. Damn you EPA!
 
I contacted Shell and VP about their race fuels. Locally, VP has a dealer but only carries the leaded fuels. You can order it over the internet, but you have to buy it in bulk to make it worth it. And then there's the problem of storing it. Damn you EPA!

May want to try Sunoco Race fuels. A variety of octanes and leaded/unleaded/ethanol combination fuels.

When I was racing TZ250s I used to buy their Maximal fuel from a local distributor in 55 gallon drums. Would then draw it out in 5 gal "jerry" cans to take to the track.
 
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