1199 Panigale brakes NOT linked

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This was brought up in another thread I felt it was important to enough to have its own topic.

It was my understanding the the brakes were linked, meaning if you applied front brakes and the ABS system felt that applying rear brake could settle the bike it would do so. This is not true.

It uses gyro type sensors to notice rear wheel lift and decrease front brake application.

The brakes are not LINKED, not INTEGRAL.

Lets hear what others thought!

"For road use in good grip conditions, both wheels
are controlled by the system; the system combines
braking power generating pressure even on the
rear caliper, anti lift-up control is active but this
setting mostly focuses on braking power and
allows a few uncontrolled lift-ups"



"Normally, the rider will perceive ABS operation as a
harder feel or a pulsation of the brake lever and pedal.
The front and rear brakes use separate control
systems, meaning that they operate independently.
Likewise, the ABS is not an integral braking system
and does not control both the front and rear brake at
the same time.If desired, the system can be deactivated from the
dashboard by using the “ABS disabling function"
 
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never thought they were linked, linked brakes and abs are two entirely different things. My goldwing has linked brakes but DOE NOT have abs.

doctorj said:
This was brought up in another thread I felt it was important to enough to have its own topic.

It was my understanding the the brakes were linked, meaning if you applied front brakes and the ABS system felt that applying rear brake could settle the bike it would do so. This is not true.

It uses gyro type sensors to notice rear wheel lift and decrease front brake application.

The brakes are not LINKED, not INTEGRAL.

Lets hear what others thought!

"For road use in good grip conditions, both wheels
are controlled by the system; the system combines
braking power generating pressure even on the
rear caliper, anti lift-up control is active but this
setting mostly focuses on braking power and
allows a few uncontrolled lift-ups"



"Normally, the rider will perceive ABS operation as a
harder feel or a pulsation of the brake lever and pedal.
The front and rear brakes use separate control
systems, meaning that they operate independently.
Likewise, the ABS is not an integral braking system
and does not control both the front and rear brake at
the same time.If desired, the system can be deactivated from the
dashboard by using the "ABS disabling function"
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Yes I think the word 'linked' is probably the wrong one to use.

However what it says in the manual, may be taken with a pinch of salt, after all does it not say we should be leaving the setting of the suspension in 'flat' mode, yet that practically reduces your height by a good 3 inches after each ride.

I am still sure that when you apply the brake with the front lever, this distributes the breaking by applying a certain amount of force to the front and rear brakes. But I could still be stood corrected on this one.

So somebody who actually knows the ins and outs of this bike, namely a technician, could you please shed some light on the subject....
 
Not linked. It's just bad grammar. They meant that "even the back brake pressure is controlled by the ABS" and worded it really badly.
 
Whatever the braking system is i can confirm they work bloody well! riding out today i had cause to haul on the anchors due to a "still asleep" woman pulling out on me at a junction whilst i was aproaching at about 80mph, she even looked me square in the eye before she pulled out!!
i hauled up inches from her back bumber/fender whilst she obliviously carried on, happily for me i managed to both explain to her via sign language through her side window how she nearly had me spread over her rear boot/trunk and i also expressed my displeasure in her Sunday morning driving by showing her the real reason why we have a middle finger!
She was of course oblivious to all of this whilst happily pottering along listening to Terry Wogans sunday morning love songs.
Anyway i can conffirm through experience that both the front and rear brake work more than adequately and will stop you in time if you pull them hard enough
 
JONAH said:
Whatever the braking system is i can confirm they work bloody well! riding out today i had cause to haul on the anchors due to a "still asleep" woman pulling out on me at a junction whilst i was aproaching at about 80mph, she even looked me square in the eye before she pulled out!!
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Nice to see that SMIDSY is still a powerful force in Loughborough...

Same thing happened to me yesterday, except the nice lady pulled out at a cross roads (turning right) across the front of me; this meant I couldn't overtake on the right, and like Jonah was somewhere in the region of 80mph (I mean 60mph officer). Again, she looked straight at me and still turned.

I know there are issues with speed perception and the size of motorcycles, but it always freaks me out. At least I know the brakes work and I'm very glad I got the ABS version.
 
husker1 said:
Nice to see that SMIDSY is still a powerful force in Loughborough...

Same thing happened to me yesterday, except the nice lady pulled out at a cross roads (turning right) across the front of me; this meant I couldn't overtake on the right, and like Jonah was somewhere in the region of 80mph (I mean 60mph officer). Again, she looked straight at me and still turned.

I know there are issues with speed perception and the size of motorcycles, but it always freaks me out. At least I know the brakes work and I'm very glad I got the ABS version.
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Amen to that!
 
I know you guys all know this stuff but........ A motorbike appears very, very small to a motorist until you get real close and then the apparent size increases rapidly so if dozy driver isn't completely focused they can easily miss you. You also can blend into the background very easily (hopefully the LED's will help here?) so a good practice can be to "wobble" the bike around a bit to try and distinguish yourself from the background if you see a car at a junction ready to pull out. Lesson over !!! Sorry to hijack thread OP.
 
Gulf Coast said:
I know you guys all know this stuff but........ A motorbike appears very, very small to a motorist until you get real close and then the apparent size increases rapidly so if dozy driver isn't completely focused they can easily miss you. You also can blend into the background very easily (hopefully the LED's will help here?) so a good practice can be to "wobble" the bike around a bit to try and distinguish yourself from the background if you see a car at a junction ready to pull out. Lesson over !!! Sorry to hijack thread OP.
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"Wobble the bike a around a bit" !!!! Are you serious?? Haha.

You can make yourself stand out more if you rode in a chicken suit.
 
nick1199 said:
"Wobble the bike a around a bit" !!!! Are you serious?? Haha.

You can make yourself stand out more if you rode in a chicken suit.
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Yeah do some research. By wobbling I mean break yourself from the background so you become more obvious. If these drivers can't even see a full beam it's unlikely they'll see a chicken suit either!!!
 
Um... this post has nothing to do with braking or saftey but rather miss information about front and rear brakes being linked together.

I was looking for input regarding this. - there is another thread more appropriate for that discussion
 
you are absolutely right not linked.

The word "linked" reminds me of Honda's combined system
Honda Worldwide | Motorcycle Picture Book | Electronically Controlled Combined ABS

Pre-conditioning brake presure
"Linked system" distribute brake pressure to both front/rear caliper,with this likely both wheelspeeds while slowing down will have closer rpm, if not ABS kicks in.It is like a pre-conditioning to prevent if ABS should really come-in.

Non pre-condition
"Standad ABS", like the pani,don't pre-condition braking pressure but more of accepting the aftereffect of unequal braking,which allow or leads to unequal wheelspeeds,to a degree/extend then ABS kick in.
 
thanks for the info. For quite sometime now, I thought that the ABS function means that the front and rear tire are linked. meaning the bike will decide how much braking force will be applied in the front caliper and it will balanace it out with the force applied to the rear caliper.
 

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