1199 Tri-colore a future collectable?
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I can't believe no one has picked up on the obvious yet. For the same money, the 1199R will hold its value better than the Tricolore.
In terms of a collectible, Mark is right, it will take many years before they could actually appreciate. The most expensive collector bikes (Brough Superiors) now are what - 100 years old? I don't think any performance motorcycle has ever turned into the 2-wheel equivalent of a Ferrari 250 Testarossa or Hemi Cuda. Take a cue from the Desmosedici. It was the greatest street-legal sportbike ever built and in recent threads most on here said to avoid it and go for an 1198R (which would get destroyed around a track by a base 1199 with Bayliss or Canepa onboard both bikes). Not to mention their used prices are nearly half of the MSRP, despite their low production numbers.
Face the fact that the 1199 is Ducati's worst commercial failure since the Terblanche days and the 999. That bike even won a couple SBK championships so it still has more cred than the 1199. Racing success has been critical to the brand since the 851, and this surely is the darkest period in their racing history. This will likely always reflect on this period of Ducati production bikes, especially the Superbike range.
Lastly, if you're buying depreciating assets and considering their quality as investments, you seriously need to read a Suzie Ormond book.
In terms of a collectible, Mark is right, it will take many years before they could actually appreciate. The most expensive collector bikes (Brough Superiors) now are what - 100 years old? I don't think any performance motorcycle has ever turned into the 2-wheel equivalent of a Ferrari 250 Testarossa or Hemi Cuda. Take a cue from the Desmosedici. It was the greatest street-legal sportbike ever built and in recent threads most on here said to avoid it and go for an 1198R (which would get destroyed around a track by a base 1199 with Bayliss or Canepa onboard both bikes). Not to mention their used prices are nearly half of the MSRP, despite their low production numbers.
Face the fact that the 1199 is Ducati's worst commercial failure since the Terblanche days and the 999. That bike even won a couple SBK championships so it still has more cred than the 1199. Racing success has been critical to the brand since the 851, and this surely is the darkest period in their racing history. This will likely always reflect on this period of Ducati production bikes, especially the Superbike range.
Lastly, if you're buying depreciating assets and considering their quality as investments, you seriously need to read a Suzie Ormond book.
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Now you are breaking my heart Jeff ! 
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I can see JeffD's point.
I don't expect to make more money off my bike than I paid for in the future; if I were going to sell it.
It is nice to have a limited model though, weather you lose money on it or not.
I can see the R's being made in higher production then the Tri's.
Checked the price for a 2013 R today. 29,500 OTD in FL
I don't expect to make more money off my bike than I paid for in the future; if I were going to sell it.
It is nice to have a limited model though, weather you lose money on it or not.
I can see the R's being made in higher production then the Tri's.
Checked the price for a 2013 R today. 29,500 OTD in FL
Now you are breaking my heart Jeff !
Sorry Gunny! The truth hurts, and a paintjob does not a collectible make.
OTD? Damn that's a good price. Includes a full Termi too? Someone explain the value of the paint job and "extras" included in the Tricolore again
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A Tri is a damn sexy bike. Miss my 1098 Tri, but it's not an appreciating asset. If that were the case 2004 ZX-10Rs would be the most expensive bike on the road today, because they are so "rare" now due to riders crashing them, frame failures, engine blowouts, etc. Last I checked they were less than 25% of original MSRP. Max.
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Well with that said I guess I should sell mine now and Ducati better pull out of WSBK after one year with the 1199...
I don't know the sales figures but did any other model sell as well for Ducati in the first year? I read that the Panigale sales were one of the best ever for Ducati so how could it be a commercial failure? - Joined
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If when the Panigale comes out with active system, do you think it would be Ohlins? or Skyhook? I think the skyhook isn't as high end, thats why they are on touring bikes.
I always thought Ohlins was the best out there, didn't know too much about Sacks. What about Marzocchi?
Isn't the base equipped with sacks and marzocchi?
I was originally going to wait for Ducati to come out with a active system on par with the Hp4's DDC. Which is better? Ohlins DES or DDC.
Several news outlets have reported that after the initial "new model" sales rush, sales of 1199s have slowed considerably. I can confirm this through buying my leftover 2012 1199 for a heavily discounted $16,300 plus the significant factory incentives Ducati provided in May of this year. You've been around here long enough to read the posts complaining about poor resale value and rapid depreciation of the 1199. The next wave of depreciation for 1st gen bikes is coming when Ducati does a mid-cycle refresh of the 1199 with active suspension and/or other improvements, such as the SL's new TC system that can adapt to different tire profiles.Well with that said I guess I should sell mine now and Ducati better pull out of WSBK after one year with the 1199...
If you don't think this SBK season was miserable for Ducati, then you're not a racing fan. The rules are unlikely to tip in their favor so things are unlikely to change next year. Compared to the last 20 years of Ducati racing production Superbikes, the 1199 has one the poorest records. The 851/888, 916/996/998, 999, 1098/1198 had won multiple championships during their product cycles and fueled Ducati's sales and reputation. Due to technical regs, politics, and perhaps the platform itself, the 1199 is very likely going to be the first Ducati Superbike to not win an SBK championship, and in 2 years of trying they have also failed to win the STK 1000 championship (which the 1098/1198 won with boring regularity).
So yes, perhaps you should sell your bike to avoid further loss and Ducati should pull out if SBK and/or MotoGP and get their .... straight in order to return to winning ways instead of blowing money to be embarrassed on track to the detriment of reputation and sales.
As for me, I just dropped $6,000 on suspension and wheels, which made the best bike I've ever ridden even better. I like the underdog and will root for them in racing just like this year. I'm not going anywhere and in fact am saving up for a Hypermotard 821 SP.
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Hahaa! I wouldn't sell based on people's opinions and depreciation of the bike or how well it does in WSBK. I have no regrets with my purchase as this is the best bike I have owned so far.
Yes, it was pretty obvious it was a miserable year for Ducati in WSBK and MotoGP and you don't have to be a super race fan to see that. I'm a race fan and would love to see them be more competitive in both series. I guess I just don't feel that it was as grim an outlook for Ducati and the Panigale as you made it out to be. That's just my opinion... My cup is half full.
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Maybe if its a 2012. That the last year the Panigale was designed and manufactured 100% Ducati before it became Audi. 2013 and on is really an Audi.
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Maybe if its a 2012. That the last year the Panigale was designed and manufactured 100% Ducati before it became Audi. 2013 and on is really an Audi.
As an Italian I shed a tear after these comments and the affection showed across the world...
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