1299 lineup details leaked

Ljuice26 said:

Vast, the new R will be an 1199 with SL internals, so the SL will still kill an R. The SL is just so light and I bet the new 1199R will not get all the electronics from the SL, which Jarel said is a big difference from all the other 1199 models.

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then it wont b 40k for sure....lets see what the trickle down will be and at 30k w/ trickle down the SL becomes even less a deal...

VAST said:

then it wont b 40k for sure....lets see what the trickle down will be and at 30k w/ trickle down the SL becomes even less a deal...

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Yeah, I'm think a base engine and SL spec it is a better use of money.

Desmobill said:

Couldn't agree more. Riding them on the street is no fun. These bikes are only happy at the track. I had an opportunity to closely compare when, mid-track day, I had to do a gas run at a gas station outside the track. I found myself wondering why do I even bother riding the Pani on the street.

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There is no debate of the adrenaline rush the track offers - some guys are true track addicts, and so be it......for me however, after having been there and done that, I realize most (most, not all) guys going to the track no longer ride on the street...they cannot safely duplicate the thrill the track offers.....others howver prefer the long term approach, the same turn once every week as to the same turn every minute plus

RD16RR said:

There is no debate of the adrenaline rush the track offers - some guys are true track addicts, and so be it......for me however, after having been there and done that, I realize most (most, not all) guys going to the track no longer ride on the street...they cannot safely duplicate the thrill the track offers.....others howver prefer the long term approach, the same turn once every week as to the same turn every minute plus

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Curious..... how safe or dangerous is track riding ? Can you break bones or just road rash and damaged bike ? I'm still in a state of panic and I ask because if I ever pilot a bike again it's track only ... sorry for thread jack just a quick question

quackquack said:

Curious..... how safe or dangerous is track riding ? Can you break bones or just road rash and damaged bike ? I'm still in a state of panic and I ask because if I ever pilot a bike again it's track only ... sorry for thread jack just a quick question

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qq NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! u can break bones, neck, etc and people paralyze and die on tracks....heal up first will ya ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡

Damn......

quackquack said:

Damn......

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2 weekends ago on local track 2 cases of broken collar bones.....they were lucky...

Charliem90 said:

Probably a better approach for rideability But ...
As tightly coupled as the rest of the design is to the current engine configuration, off-setting the crank and lengthening the cylinders to get longer stroke would play havoc with structural stuff like where the front end bolts on, how the gas tank fits, etc. It's (relatively) easy to do to a motor that sits in a frame. Much harder for a motor that *is* the frame.
I'm guessing the approach will be to re-sleeve existing cylinders. Much easier.

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Quite possibly; at the current bore it would take 5mm more stroke to get another 100CC of displacement and that would prove interesting in terms of packaging with the existing peripherals. However, making it even more oversquare would not be the logical way to go for more low and midrange torque. Guess we'll see soon enough!

Desmobill said:

$40k gets you a lot closer to the SL $65k in terms of market. Might as well get the full package.

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What are we really talking about here regarding engine upgrades? Basically it's an engine internals package consisting of pistons, rings, exhaust valves, and a crankshaft. So as far as the bits and pieces go it's not a huge ammount of money in parts which all have to be installed on the assembly line anyway. Seems like maybe $3,000.00 worth of markup would about cover it. I hope so anyway!

Ljuice26 said:

How many of you are going to fork over $40k? I'm sure they are not going to sell 1199Rs for $30k any longer.

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For clarification the 'R was only 30K for the '13 model year. They went to 31K for '14. I'm guessing even with all the potential upgrades for '15 Ducati is not going to want the sticker to show anything over 34-35K to avoid people in this market getting too "sticker shocked". I'm excited to see how it plays out!

I would love to buy something for state side, another 1199r would be nice, but not reasonable. I'm hoping an 899s or something gets announced.

Ducati will equip the new 1299 (and the multi) with Desmodromic Variable Timing (DVT). The new tech is a first in variable valve timing in a v-twin and will have variable timing on both intake and exhaust valves. This should help smooth engine running and torque curve.

Desmobill said:

Ducati will equip the new 1299 (and the multi) with Desmodromic Variable Timing (DVT). The new tech is a first in variable valve timing in a v-twin and will have variable timing on both intake and exhaust valves. This should help smooth engine running and torque curve.

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Where'd you hear this will make it onto the 1299?

ONLY the Multistrada will get the variable valve timing.

2015 Ducati Panigale Goes 1299cc - autoevolution

weltonrk said:

Plus how many will have these bikes on the track where they belong or will they be daily commuters to work and some back roads. I put 50 miles on my bike and then straight to the track. I'm still trying to figure out what fun there is with this bike on public roads? Someone, help me out (Roebling Road, October 25 & 26, 2014) with USDESMO

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I commute 46+ miles everyday on my 1199. And I love every second of it. I can mimick the same thrills of the track everyday on public roads. Every on-ramp, every huge HOV lane sweeper, every clover-leaf off-ramp, every long straight begging for a 2nd gear power wheelie, and all the great San Diego backroads. I ride this thing because I love riding it, on track or off track. Will I ever do 175mph down a straight on the street, of course not, but this bike is FUN. It goes the same for my restored 1969 Chevelle SS396. I love drag racing it and running 10sec 1/4mi runs, but also drive her to car shows and around town and love that too.

I mean to me, being a track only rider is selling the Ducati lifestyle a bit short. Especially since a lot of guys on here constantly complain about characteristics of the bike anyways, especially on the track. I mean, every sportbike ever made is overkill for the street, but I would venture to say less than half of sportbike owners ever see a track with their sportbike. Just look at ads that say "adult ridden" or "never tracked". They're everywhere.

So just defending us commuters who love the bike on and off track

Also, when is this 1299 thing gonna actually be officially released, I mean really?!?

news from my dealer... .who just flew back from meeting with Ducati in italy.
new 1299 will have clutchless Up N Down shift !
Fairing on both front n rear ar slightly altered aswell.

Simonwg905 said:

news from my dealer... .who just flew back from meeting with Ducati in italy.
new 1299 will have clutchless Up N Down shift !
Fairing on both front n rear ar slightly altered aswell.

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thats the most fun reading a post i've had in a few weeks now

Simonwg905 said:

news from my dealer... .who just flew back from meeting with Ducati in italy.
new 1299 will have clutchless Up N Down shift !
Fairing on both front n rear ar slightly altered aswell.

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Clutchless up/down will be getting very common soon, so good to see them keeping up. BMW for example offer it more or less across the board on their new bikes, even the GS! Will be interesting to see if they've managed to create a better rider interface with the fairing changes, as on the current bike there's not a good flat place to lock into on the sides.

biggest issue i c is this website being outdated in url-termz.....

If there is a common thread for Ducati's upcoming EICMA reveal, it is the influence and benefits of owner Audi AG. We have already seen the German car manufacturer's variable valve timing technology find its way into the Testastretta engine, in the form of Desmodromic Variable Timing (DVT).

Our sources say that the all-new Ducati Multistrada, which will debut in just a few weeks' time, will be the first model equipped with DVT. While Ducati ups its ante in the ADV market, our Bothan spies have tipped us off to another piece of Audi tech that will find its way onto a Ducati motorcycle, as the 1299 will received a "Tiptronic-like" gearbox that allows for touch-button upshifts and downshifts.

It's not clear if the Ducati 1299 superbike will have a dual-clutch gearbox with its new shifting abilities, but riders will be able to rapidly click through the gears without using the clutch. Our sources make the system sounds like an enhanced version of Ducati's Quick Shift system (DQS), which already allows for clutchless up-shifts.

Adding now clutchless downshifts to the list of features coming to Ducati's superbike line, the Italian company is trying very hard for this mid-model update to be more than just that.

We know already that the 1299 will feature an extra 100cc on the base and "S" models, while the "R" model will remain at 1,198cc for World Superbike regulations. The bump in displacement is a new philosophy for Ducati, which is using the weight savings in its v-twin design to bust category trends with larger displacement machines "” a move first seen with the Ducati 899 Panigale middleweight.

Start counting the days to EICMA, Ducati fans. Good stuff is ahead.