1299 water cooling system

Scorpio66 · Nov 11, 2014

Sooooo the question it's quite easy. Would the 1299 have a better cooling system then 1199? We all know the radiator was way smaller then what that engine needs.

Anyone had the opportunity to check the new cooking system in Milan ?

Thanks

wilkson · Nov 11, 2014

I'm going with no .

Stw · Nov 11, 2014

I suspect it may be even worse...ie same cooling abilities but with a larger displacement and more power comes more heat...

Mig · Nov 12, 2014

Stw said:
I suspect it may be even worse...ie same cooling abilities but with a larger displacement and more power comes more heat...

+ 1

The oven has been upgraded.

kpn · Nov 12, 2014

"Lubrication"
"The journals of the main bearings are lubricated by pressurised oil admitted through ducts inside the engine block. This serves to assure the efficient lubrication of the new crankshaft, followed by a rapid recovery of the oil thanks to a lobe pump that places the connecting rod compartment under vacuum, similar to the engines used in MotoGP. This pump is driven by gears built in a special high-strength techno-polymer and maintains the crankcase area below the pistons in controlled conditions of constant vacuum, thereby reducing resistance during the pistons' downstroke as well as facilitating oil flow for rapid recovery."

My understanding would be the intent of this is to help bring operating temps down by reducing the heat that is generated due to friction. There is also some mention under the crankcase design about increased heat flow again in attempts to dissipate and reduce heat build up.

But then again this could just be my wishful thinking.

Claymore · Nov 12, 2014

kpn said:
"Lubrication"
"The journals of the main bearings are lubricated by pressurised oil admitted through ducts inside the engine block. This serves to assure the efficient lubrication of the new crankshaft, followed by a rapid recovery of the oil thanks to a lobe pump that places the connecting rod compartment under vacuum, similar to the engines used in MotoGP. This pump is driven by gears built in a special high-strength techno-polymer and maintains the crankcase area below the pistons in controlled conditions of constant vacuum, thereby reducing resistance during the pistons' downstroke as well as facilitating oil flow for rapid recovery."

My understanding would be the intent of this is to help bring operating temps down by reducing the heat that is generated due to friction. There is also some mention under the crankcase design about increased heat flow again in attempts to dissipate and reduce heat build up.

But then again this could just be my wishful thinking.

As far as I know the above is valid for the 1199's engine too, so no help with the dissipation of the extra heat generated.

Xbox · Nov 12, 2014

All high-performance motorcycle engines get very hot.

But, not all high-performance motorcycle have an exhaust header loop under the riders seat.

Do we need to think any harder

SPJ · Nov 12, 2014

Xbox said:
All high-performance motorcycle engines get very hot.

But, not all high-performance motorcycle have an exhaust header loop under the riders seat.

Do we need to think any harder

I never found heat from the exhaust to be a problem, the engine temp would rocket though in traffic or on warmer track days.

bikenamenumber · Nov 12, 2014

There was mention during the presentation that the 1299 was made wider than the 1199. If the front is in fact wider that makes more room for larger radiators. Whether or not this translates into anything useful for the rider? Who knows at this point.

Nigelo · Nov 13, 2014

Scorpio66 said:
Would the 1299 have a better cooling system then 1199? We all know the radiator was way smaller then what that engine needs.
Thanks

Since when does the 1199 engine overheat? I have seen neither seen nor read any evidence of this at all. My 2013 version gets hot when in traffic as you would expect but the fan prevents any "overheating". Once on the open road / track the airflow controls everything properly

As for the extra power of 1299 needing larger rads - BS. The 10 extra horses is developed at the top end of rev range when airflow will be substantial even in 1st gear and greatly increase with each successive gear change

hope this helps

Ljuice26 · Nov 13, 2014

If you think the 1199 is hot, you are riding wrong. My bike has no fan, and I run it hard on the track and have no issues with heat. Of you are sitting in traffic, that's your fault.

Buliwyf · Nov 13, 2014

Twins have great airflow through the radiator while moving. That's why they have such small radiators compared to a I4.

Can't blame the bike for traffic stops, any more than you can blame a motocross bike that pukes coolant when it's leaned up against a tree for 10 minutes.

Eleven 99 · Nov 13, 2014

Some people live in areas where they have to go through traffic to get to the backroads. That shouldn't be a problem for a road bike.

Rogue · Nov 13, 2014

Not to mention some of us actually use these things to commute with.

Buliwyf · Nov 13, 2014

I commute all the time. Never been over 241 or puked any coolant at all. And it's only when I'm sitting for an extended stop. I try to find a less traveled, long way around, because it's not that long on an 1199.

You can increase the size of the radiator all you want. If air isn't flowing through it........

RD16RR · Nov 13, 2014

i've owned a few...and although there are times when the temp will spike, they have never overheated - the fan would run, and that'd be it - when really using the tach for good distances the engine temp would rise, but nothing to the point of overheating at all....if i remember correctly, 219 degrees is the temp the fan starts....if it doesn't, then you may have an issue

-- the whole debate about Engine Ice, MoCool, or other voodoo additives are pointless - 9th grade science proved to me that water is the best dissipator of heat no matter what u do...just make sure the fan switch works

SPJ · Nov 13, 2014

Ljuice26 said:
If you think the 1199 is hot, you are riding wrong. My bike has no fan, and I run it hard on the track and have no issues with heat. Of you are sitting in traffic, that's your fault.

Obviously no one buys a Panigale intending to sit in traffic, just a necessary evil sometimes. I found on the track the bike would be sat around 108deg C (226 F) which means the fan is permanently running, maybe it's normal for the Panigale but that's higher than on other sports bikes I've owned. I'm intrigued to know how anyone can raise the temperature significantly by improper riding technique on the track?

Buliwyf · Nov 13, 2014

Trade temp senders with another bike. We freak over 20 degrees, but that's often the error in the sender.

Ljuice26 · Nov 13, 2014

SPJ said:
Obviously no one buys a Panigale intending to sit in traffic, just a necessary evil sometimes. I found on the track the bike would be sat around 108deg C (226 F) which means the fan is permanently running, maybe it's normal for the Panigale but that's higher than on other sports bikes I've owned. I'm intrigued to know how anyone can raise the temperature significantly by improper riding technique on the track?

I live in hot ... Florida and I run the .... out of the bike in 90+ degree temps and I've never seen my bike
Go that high. And I don't have a fan. Maybe running in novice you will see that. Step your pace up..... That was a joke man.

wilkson · Nov 13, 2014

Ljuice26 said:
If you think the 1199 is hot, you are riding wrong. My bike has no fan, and I run it hard on the track and have no issues with heat. Of you are sitting in traffic, that's your fault.

How do you ride wrong ? My bike runs hot can you give me a few tips .

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