1299r?

Chaotic · Dec 20, 2016

With that being said, which motor internals from the 1199R motor can be utilized in the 1299 motor?

In other words, if someone wanted to, are there 1199R motor parts that could be used to make the 1299 motor lighter and spin up/rev quicker?

maslov · Dec 20, 2016

Another thing to keep in mind, Audi owns Ducati now... Audi needs to make money, therefore I'm sure the production and sales demands are going to go up to keep the investors happy... I wouldn't be surprised if they kill the soul of the brand a bit with the "numbers"

Twistedracer · Dec 20, 2016

Chaotic said:
With that being said, which motor internals from the 1199R motor can be utilized in the 1299 motor?

In other words, if someone wanted to, are there 1199R motor parts that could be used to make the 1299 motor lighter and spin up/rev quicker?

Doesn't the 1299 SL have some special parts like ti rods and lighter crank?

shakazulu12 · Dec 20, 2016

Chaotic said:
With that being said, which motor internals from the 1199R motor can be utilized in the 1299 motor?

In other words, if someone wanted to, are there 1199R motor parts that could be used to make the 1299 motor lighter and spin up/rev quicker?

Ask Livengood..........

Should be able to get a hold of 1299SL parts though. A call to Ben Fox would probably be enlightening.

To answer your question, I think the 1199r crank would work since the displacement increase is a bore job only. I know the journal dimensions are identical. The rods would be a lot lighter since the ones on the 1299 were beefed up a bunch, but I'm not sure they would be safe with the increase in piston weight. That said, if you weren't chasing revs........ Something that a smart person may have to answer for you.

SuperDuc29 · Dec 21, 2016

Chaotic said:
No reason for it. As previously stated, the only reason the 1199R is produced is because racing rules for WSBK are capped at 1200cc.

I think you're right but I thought, based on the success of the Anniversario (and Superleggera to a lesser extent), they would try something like this. With some parts bin raiding like we're talking about here (and Superleggera) it could be quite profitable for Ducati. And we have another bike to get excited or worked up about without it being a far away dream like the Superleggera.

JeffsR · Dec 22, 2016

May be a stupid/answered question....but about how many R's do they make each year? I mean I'm assuming/hoping its a bit more limited production than the base or S? I could be wrong

SuperDuc29 · Dec 22, 2016

I thought it was 500.

Chaotic · Dec 22, 2016

shakazulu12 said:
Ask Livengood..........

Should be able to get a hold of 1299SL parts though. A call to Ben Fox would probably be enlightening.

To answer your question, I think the 1199r crank would work since the displacement increase is a bore job only. I know the journal dimensions are identical. The rods would be a lot lighter since the ones on the 1299 were beefed up a bunch, but I'm not sure they would be safe with the increase in piston weight. That said, if you weren't chasing revs........ Something that a smart person may have to answer for you.

I would love to be able to lighten the motor internals, but without sacrificing durability/strength

shakazulu12 · Dec 22, 2016

Chaotic said:
I would love to be able to lighten the motor internals, but without sacrificing durability/strength

Just wait for the SL parts to become available or hit up Ben Fox and ask. He probably knows more about lightening the internals on Ducati's than anyone in North America. Not trying to stay SS legal anymore?

Chaotic · Dec 22, 2016

Because its a Twin, it will still be legal for 3 classes even in SB form.

I'm not sure what direction I'm going for 2017. I just know I'm going to simplify things, do less races per day, and only race 1 bike. I want to see how well I can do focusing on quality vs quantity.

I've always done 6-7 races in a day, on 2-3 different bikes. Even as a Novice I raced a 600 and a 1000 at the same time.

I'll either...

Only race the Panigale and get another as a backup.
Only race the 675R.
Sell everything and start fresh with a 959 or R1.

Pilot · Dec 22, 2016

Chaotic said:
I would love to be able to lighten the motor internals, but without sacrificing durability/strength

I bet a light flywheel, Ti conrods and valves would do just that and have your 1299 singing like a songbird!

Pilot · Dec 22, 2016

Wallaroo said:
The next R you see will be a V4 and there will be 500 made for Homolgation.

How fat do you all think the four cylinder will make the bike? I LOVE how narrow and light my Panigale feels. I love the sound of the RSV-4 engine, but when I ride a RSV-4 or S1000RR around the track I can't wait to get back on my Pani! I think I'll be bummed if the new bike gets wide and heavy...

Chaotic · Dec 22, 2016

Pilot said:
How fat do you all think the four cylinder will make the bike? I LOVE how narrow and light my Panigale feels. I love the sound of the RSV-4 engine, but when I ride a RSV-4 or S1000RR around the track I can't wait to get back on my Pani! I think I'll be bummed if the new bike gets wide and heavy...

Ducati doesn't "need" to produce a V4 motor. They have to constantly cut power to maintain rear wheel grip or to keep the front end on the ground as is. They are doing just fine with the Twin.

With that being said, if they could adapt a V4 motor to the Panigale frame (or lack thereof), it would still be a very narrow and light bike. Instead of 2 HUGE pistons, you'd just have 4 smaller ones. But it would still be in the more narrow V configuration (compared to an inline 4).

I raced an RSV4 and it wasn't necessarily the engine that was so heavy, it was the frame and swingarm. The chassis on that thing is so heavy. That is why even in race trim it was still very heavy.

I'm sure if Ducati was to make a V4 in the monocoque chassis, it would be a hell of a bike.

Wallaroo · Dec 22, 2016

Chaotic said:
Ducati doesn't "need" to produce a V4 motor. They have to constantly cut power to maintain rear wheel grip or to keep the front end on the ground as is. They are doing just fine with the Twin.

With that being said, if they could adapt a V4 motor to the Panigale frame (or lack thereof), it would still be a very narrow and light bike. Instead of 2 HUGE pistons, you'd just have 4 smaller ones. But it would still be in the more narrow V configuration (compared to an inline 4).

I raced an RSV4 and it wasn't necessarily the engine that was so heavy, it was the frame and swingarm. The chassis on that thing is so heavy. That is why even in race trim it was still very heavy.

I'm sure if Ducati was to make a V4 in the monocoque chassis, it would be a hell of a bike.

Totally agree with the " Ducati are doing fine with the twins" but for how long, they cant go to a 1299, because the 1199 is their limit. But the 4's on the other hand can still produce more HP and eventually leave the twin behind.
This was pretty much the reason for Ducati to produce a 4, so they can keep it a level playing field in the future.....When are they going to do it I dont know, but I believe Ducati said they had something special for 2018.
If it is a panigale 4.....wow what a awesome bike it would be

Wallaroo · Dec 22, 2016

Pilot said:
How fat do you all think the four cylinder will make the bike? I LOVE how narrow and light my Panigale feels. I love the sound of the RSV-4 engine, but when I ride a RSV-4 or S1000RR around the track I can't wait to get back on my Pani! I think I'll be bummed if the new bike gets wide and heavy...

Thats a good question.....knowing Ducati it will be as slim and as light as they can get it.....Something to look forward to in the future

Rogue · Dec 22, 2016

$100 says the replacement for the Panigale won't be a V4. Any takers?

Wallaroo · Dec 22, 2016

Rogue said:
$100 says the replacement for the Panigale won't be a V4. Any takers?

I dont think replacing the Panigale is their intention, it just wont be used in WSBK only the V4.

Rogue · Dec 22, 2016

You're saying they'll run a V4 in WSBK? This would require a V4 production model as well.

Wallaroo · Dec 22, 2016

Rogue said:
You're saying they'll run a V4 in WSBK? This would require a V4 production model as well.

Yep 500 of them as the new rules specify.....just like the old days

Rogue · Dec 22, 2016

That's my point, I don't see it happening.

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