1299SL or V4r

BMW Alpina said:

From your first post where you said you always dreamed of buying a 1299 Superleggera but you never said you also dreamed of buying a V4R,
then if I were you, I would buy a 1299 Superleggera.

It's rare and not easy to make your dream come true. Don't worry about Technical or Performance, what matter is what's in your heart

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Paul G said:

Always amazed me how with every new crop of bikes suddenly last years model is instantly so dated. You can’t go wrong with either bike but the SL is timeless. The other factor is the Ducati history, evolution and character of the twin Ultimately it’s a coin toss, you’re not getting to the end of either bike!

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double0 said:

A rip off? Come on man. At the 45k used price point, the tech that's gone into that bike to make it as powerful and more importantly as lightweight as it is while being a street legal motorcycle, that's enough right there. The internal components, the .... you don't see, all the .... that works together to accomplish what that bike is as a whole is worth the price tag. It may be hard to justify the price for most but to say it is a rip off is just plain silly. I can't afford one but even i can appreciate and respect what that bike represents.

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Rawyn1 said:

Hi Regnac, thanks for your reply.
74k$ (It seems you’re from NY)
30 miles on it

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gnance said:

It's the oil leaks, the burning carbon fiber, the seat that peels up as the glue melts, the carbon fairing that doesnt fit properly.....well all that on my bike at least. So yeah.....for that kind of cash that .... outta be sorted out. Dont shoot for the moon if you havent mastered the city transit system yet lol.

I know I'll catch a lot of hate, but it's the gods honest truth from someone who owned one and has had 20 plus different sport bikes over the years. If I were a rich man I would still have the bike but for someone who makes a modest Income there is money better spent imo.

One of those things I think you just have to experience and live with yourself to really get it i suppose. I know there are a lot of happy sl owners out there.....but I'm guessing it's not their only bike.

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gnance said:

Is this going to be your only ride? If so v4r all day.

If you are going to log a lot of miles v4r....if you want it for the looks/exclusivity/occassional ride the get the SL.

I love em both dont get me wrong, but as a previous 1199 SL owner all that carbon fiber is really not meant to hold up over the long haul if you are putting a ton of miles on it imo. Beautiful yes, fun yes, designed for heat/miles/abuse? Questionable. As cool as the bike was. And even buying it on the used market at $45k....I couldnt stop telling myself the SL was kind of a RIP off for what you got. Just my opinion though.

If money is no object get both lol.

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Paul G said:

I have a base 1299 with upgrades, its fantastic and bit by bit as I chip away with upgrades it gets better and better. Ive ridden a few V4's now and I will be getting one but the urgency has cooled a little because the twin is so enjoyable. The specials, i.e. the SL's and the R's are in the realm of if you have to worry about the price youre in the wrong shop. I would go out and ride both bikes or their analogues such as the 1299R and the V4R see what you like. No right answer here.

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reganc said:

Yes been living in NYC for too long now.

Price is good i think it depends on what you want to use it for and what you really desire.

If it was just for tracking i would go with the V4R it's hard to beat and i wouldn't buy it as a street bike. The SL would be phenomenal on the track but you would end up taking alot of the bits that make it very cool off the bike in order to make it a track track. However the majority of SL's that i have seen have all been track bikes it's just the V4R is so good that i personally couldn't justify it.

If you are to do a bit of street and track riding the SL is a real head turner and if that the dream then go for it.

Ducati's are so good now particularly those two bikes that you can't go wrong with either.

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double0 said:

A rip off? Come on man. At the 45k used price point, the tech that's gone into that bike to make it as powerful and more importantly as lightweight as it is while being a street legal motorcycle, that's enough right there. The internal components, the .... you don't see, all the .... that works together to accomplish what that bike is as a whole is worth the price tag. It may be hard to justify the price for most but to say it is a rip off is just plain silly. I can't afford one but even i can appreciate and respect what that bike represents.

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endodoc said:

The SL platform has merit but so does the V4. I'm stuck in both camps. I'm working on some V4 projects but i prefer the 99s and for me personally, the less sophisticated the package, the better. I don't need all that fancy electronic gizmos in fact its all turned off. For me the V4 is a great bike but not the bike i wanted. The SL is overpriced and I dont say that out of ignorance and disrespect. I am basing it on what I paid for the SL engine parts kits from Tamburini and what i was able to get the carbon frame for. I saved a lot of money vs buying a bike. The factory carbon is very good but the CDT isn't horrible and I got a fairing stay, 1pc tail and a carbon tank which the SL didn't offer. The real issue is the "exclusivity". That went right out the window when Tamburini started selling carbon frames, swingarms and motors (they still have motor kits on ebay) Parts that were supposedly unobtainable and made up the bulk of the reasoning for the cost. You can keep your numbered top clamp. Modified slightly, the SL is very reliable, and street friendly. The 1299 SL is a different beast and i would say more temperamental than the 1199 SL and yep, probably not very crash friendly. The same will apply to the V4 SL. Understand what you are getting. That bike is six figures and for me, is grossly over priced from a parts perspective and you can be sure that carbon frames and swingarms and motor parts will hit the aftermarket shelves. I think most compelling were the "investors" who saw SL prices plummet. Not a good investment but then again i guess that goes for most bikes. The SL you are looking at has very low miles. Obviously purchased as an investment and the price while not arguable, reflects the owners desire to get somewhat of an ROI. 74K is just all around difficult to justify but if you have to have it, get it. I think Ducati needs to control their "exclusivity" a bit better. I have seen a few bikes besides Kevins 1299 with the factory SL BST wheels so they too are available through channels. Gnance, personal opinion, 45K for your 1199SL was not horrible. Pretty damn good package for that price. Unfortunately it sounds like you're bike had some issues.

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Rawyn1 said:

would you replace all the original carbon panels, front fearing etc with say -fullsixcarbon- kit so in case you crash the bike you won’t have to worry about finding the original parts?

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endodoc said:

You should probably, accurately, assess the mission. Track bike. That means different things to different people. For me, I am not an accomplished enough rider to find myself pushing the bike out of my comfort envelope so crashing it on “track day” isn’t something I have ever really worried about. If I were so inclined, to pursue a more aggressive stance, it would definitely affect my decision to track a pricy bike. So if you want to do some spirited riding on a track and you are completely comfortable with your capabilities, then go nuts. However recognize that the monocoque doesn’t crash well in the first place and the SL has some rather cost prohibitive pieces that you really don’t want to damage (frame, swingarm, wheels). Personally, a track only bike for me would be expendable if I wanted to really explore expanding my riding ability.

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