2023 V4R, anyone else disappointed?

SBK-SP said:

LOL Ok, in this SBU photo it looks “correct” in that the SA pivot follows with the SA such that it “works” like we(?) think it should. That doesn’t look at all like the photo andyb posted of the 2023 “production” R at the press intro.

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andyb said:

here's another curve ball for you... there are four positions to adjust between, that means three spaces between them each of 2mm.....in total a maximum 6mm raise or lower of the SA top to bottom...

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andyb said:

here's another curve ball for you... there are four positions to adjust between, that means three spaces between them each of 2mm.....in total a maximum 6mm raise or lower of the SA top to bottom...

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RickD996 said:

Why is this a curve ball? That just the range if adjustment. Am I missing something?

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andyb said:

here's another curve ball for you... there are four positions to adjust between, that means three spaces between them each of 2mm.....in total a maximum 6mm raise or lower of the SA top to bottom...

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craig bush said:

Isn’t the range -3 to +3?

6mm

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Alf said:

The V4 SP2 has "Stylema R" calipers. Visually, it looks like the R calipers have two red line/stripes near the bottom of the caliper to distinguish themselves from the regualr Stylema. I couldn't find a spec on the 2023 V4 R calipers, but based on pics, I do not see the red stripes.

I get why the carbon fiber wheels are on the SP2 and not on the R, but it looks like they cut costs of the brakes too lol.

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endodoc said:

Actually WRS gave me a steal on the damn thing. I had purchased the 650 for another project and didn't even know they had the 4040 which they don't any longer, I'm told its no longer available "shocker"and I ordered the thing back in June. I called Michell at Brembo North America and she said they have never seen one come through their warehouse and that most of them go to Taiwan. Those guys have some insane builds. All lunacy aside, its a nice piece. I'm going all out on learning CNC work and buying a bunch of equipment in 2023. Being able to make things on the small manual mill and lathe that I have has been a game changer for projects. In so many instances it has given me options where there otherwise wouldn't have been any. Having a fab shop at the house and learning how to use it will allow me to add an even further degree of uniqueness and customization to my many projects. You show a nice billet ridiculously priced Corse part to a Ducati enthusiast and they marvel at its unobtainium nature. You show it to a machinist, "yea, come back in an hour". Increasing your capabilities builds freedom.

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andyb said:

because the V4R you buy for your 50 something K, is miles away from the one on that video.....for a start!

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RickD996 said:

Be careful, you may get labelled a 'keyboard warrior'...

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SBK-SP said:

Here’s a photo of the page in the Ducati technical training updates for the 2022 models for reference…View attachment 45840

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RickD996 said:

Well, it's like this Andy:
Ducati - swingarm raised 4mm.
Reality - swingarm goes from +1 position, to -3 position.

The reality, suggests a change of -4. Ducati advise a change of +4mm.

Ergo, I am unsure, of what moves in which direction. I'm pretty sure, there is a change of 4mm, one way or another.

Potentially, the frame markings indicate the chassis position relative to the swingarm, and Ducati are describing the swingarm position relative to the chassis.

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craig bush said:

My understanding is that the later bike swingarm pivot point was raised 4mm to the +1 position of the original v4r, and that the adjustment range references the pivot point within the chassis:

+1 higher (greater swingarm angle relative to horizontal, greater anti-squat)

-3 lower (lesser swingarm angle relative to horizontal, less anti-squat)

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SBK-SP said:

Here’s a photo of the page in the Ducati technical training updates for the 2022 models for reference…View attachment 45840

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RickD996 said:

+1 is the same as the pre 22 bike.
When I tried +1, I ran shock length of 318mm (but obviously fairly useless information without wheelbase or comparable ride height measurement).
I ran the forks flush, but had Mupo cartridges, which give a different fork length anyway.
I did about 3k miles with +1 swingarm position, never found a brilliant setting. When I went back to the -3, bike was so much nicer to ride, for my riding style. The bike, with +1, was incredible on the brakes and throttle, wouldn't corner well, and mid corner speed was low. Reminded me of the description of Dovi's GP bike.

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craig bush said:

So your understanding is that the -3 position raises the swingarm pivot 4mm higher than the +1 position?

That seems counterintuitive.

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SBK-SP said:

Here’s a photo of the page in the Ducati technical training updates for the 2022 models for reference…View attachment 45840

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andyb said:

Is the 23 R stuff on there yet?

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SBK-SP said:

Not that I’m aware of

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andyb said:

shame that would answer a lot of things..

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