23 V4R Loosing Oil…… Some Oil Found in Airbox

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It's still ongoing lol. Hopefully engine will be built and bike back soon. Dealer has been very helpful and even the importer eventually. Aprilia are well known for their washing of the hands attitude. I guess when there is a reason like an aftermarket tune the factory has every right to straight up deny warranty being real about it. Doing some research of your own can be a worthwhile investment is all I'm saying.
 
I asked them if they would consider doing a leak down or compression test (while the bike is stripped) and they said no, that’s not Ducati’s SOP. Weigh the oil in and ride it 1000 miles on the road, or p**s off was the attitude.
Ducati SOP likely equates to Ducati won't pay the dealer to do that, and the dealer isn't going to do it out of pocket. You may consider paying to get it done while the bike is apart.
 
Considering bp got bent over by Luigi from Motoxpricambi, I’m not surprised by his response. If you let someone take advantage of you, they’re going to take advantage of you.

Seems pretty easy to navigate UK Consumer law. Seems like you have a slam dunk case. I’d call that number and see what your options are. Can’t hurt.

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This kid. Hilarious. A pretend expert on consumer law in three different countries.

Pasting a snapshot into a forum and actually taking legal action are two drastically different things.
 
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I have a funny story about this. My bike never used any oil. Never dribbled out of the airbox. When I went in and shimmed the valves I saw that the airbox entry leaked air everywhere around the air filter. So I siliconed the gaps between the subframe and the plastic air filter retainer because dirt was getting into the airbox. First ride I get back and park it. Go out later and guess what, oil dripped out of the airbox drain line (few drops every ride). So the oil seperator when airbox is sealed and actually pulling a vacuum is simply inadequate. But my bike really doesn't use any oil because it hardly ever sees the far side of ten K rpm. The 2 rings pistons of the R's will be harder to get a good ring seal on due to the increased rocking in the bore. The R's will not last. The aggressive cams will murder the guides and the loose 2 ring pistons will shortly kill the rings. There's a reason they're calling for complete rebuilds after so few miles. Nickasil is hard to get a ring seal anyway (and harder after a little bore wear). None of this is due to the gun drilled rods or the new oil pump. The inadequate volume of the early oil pumps (pressure side most likely) is a major contributor to the rod bearing failures that have been showing up that's why they're revved the pump four times.

Break in with an appropriate oil (no modifiers) is essential and remember ring break in should be high load/friction and little heat. So short bursts of high load but not too much RPM. As the rings distorts under load (ring to piston groove clearance driven) the intent is for an edge to be initially presented to the bore which wears in across the face. IMHO Ducati should break the R's in on a dyno and save there customers the grief.
 
Actually I think the design is pretty good (engine at least). They do make 240 hp/liter. What we're seeing is quality control issues. The airbox entry piece is plastic and probably 90 percent are warped. The oiling issue on the bottoms ends is, I think, a combination of inadequate oil pump volume when the crank assembly tolerances are on the high side and then you add wear. Ducati as part of their release announcement stated that the new panigale 1103's went to the current R oil pumps. I think this was for the dealers. I've yet to see a picture of a new R pump but there's space in the case to add both gear width and some diameter to the pressure side. I wonder if they redesigned the oil separator as you could use some of the cutout space in the subframe to improve the design.
 
Sooo, picked the bike up today. I asked if the dealer had kept a record of my reporting the bike was using oil at first service, to which the reply was yes. I then asked if they received my emails reporting the fact that the bike was still using oil post first service, yes, was the reply (although I did not receive a reply to the emails). I asked what was found when the air box lid was removed. We didn’t remove the air box lid (too much work involved) we used a camera. I asked if they took screen shots of the inside of the air box when using the endoscope, no! Was the reply. We did an oil pressure test and it passed with flying colours.

Technicians conclusion is the bike was overfilled with oil, despite the level being fine on the day and no evidence to back the theory.

So I have a 1200 mile bike that’s using excessive amounts of oil, an air box with oil in it, and they couldn’t even be bothered to take the air box lid off, have a look at the inside and give it a wipe.

I see Honda is going well in Superstock..
 
@KA77 not sure if this older post has been seen regarding the oil fill and proper draining..post 76

https://ducatiforum.com/t/severe-issues-with-2023-panigale-v4r-need-help.62759/page-4

The bike has never been overfilled fella. When I drain the oil I let it go over night. I put 250mm into start with, let it settle again over night and then top up as required. If anything, I run it a bit low, around 3/4 from the top, between the lower and higher lines. My impression is that they don’t want to get involved.
 
The bike has never been overfilled fella. When I drain the oil I let it go over night. I put 250mm into start with, let it settle again over night and then top up as required. If anything, I run it a bit low, around 3/4 from the top, between the lower and higher lines. My impression is that they don’t want to get involved.

Makes you wonder if those high low lines are even accurate. Hell, Ducati doesn’t even seem to adhere to their specs when you see overfilled motors in their service manuals.

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2022 V4S manual
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This oil level topic is becoming much more common. It's closely related to the oil some owners are finding in the air intake. I would like to say everyone is making this harder than it should be, but it's actually made harder because of so many half truths & straight out lies told by government regulators, manufactures, & oil companies. I would like to avoid getting overly technical, & stick to the most important information that's the most helpful.
Some of you say you're using Motul 300V oil. Which 300V? In order to comply with the current fuel economy regulations, Motul has reformulated many of the oils in their 300V line up. Viscosity is extremely important. Which viscosity are you using, & what's your ambient temperature? For the sake of simplicity, if you prefer Motul 300V, use the 15W/60 Off-road racing motorcycle oil. Change it every 1,000 miles or sooner. One problem you're having is oil foaming. At high RPM's your current oil is full of air bubbles. This is also why you can't seem to find the correct level. It can take 24 hours for all the air bubbles to exit the oil. If you've done some high speed riding & shut the engine off, the oil level will appear to high for at least 24 hours. You don't want oil that's full of air bubbles.
Your engines are the most demanding by any manufacture. You can't use Car oil. The design of high performance motorcycle engines act like a meat grinder on the oil inside. The chemical properties are quickly diminished in these oils. In less than 1,000 miles most of what are called "long chain polymers", are badly degraded. No oil can withstand the oil change intervals manufactures tell owners. Why do you think Ducati says their most expensive race oil that cost $60 per quart, must be changed every 600 miles?
The only other oil I've found that's actually capable of withstanding the stress of these engines, is Red Line "Power Sports" line. On really hot days with high speed riding, 20W/60 is the best choice. At normal Summer ambient temperatures, 10W/50 is the better choice. But it must be their Power Sports line. You still need to change it every 1,000 miles or less.
I've left out a mountain of important technical information so as to quickly get to the point. Understanding the details in the technical information is what eliminates all of the other popular oils from this very short list. These 2 oils do not foam. You can get an accurate oil level within 15 minutes of the engine off.
 
The bike has never been overfilled fella. When I drain the oil I let it go over night. I put 250mm into start with, let it settle again over night and then top up as required. If anything, I run it a bit low, around 3/4 from the top, between the lower and higher lines. My impression is that they don’t want to get involved.

What's the latest?
 
I do 15W50 300V. From my service notes, I’m changing it every 1000 mi or 3ish trackdays.

How’re you determining “ the chemical properties are quickly diminished in these oils?”
 

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