2023 V4R, anyone else disappointed?

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They don't have salespeople on the stands at the shows. If a dealership has a stand, they have salespeople. Ducati will take your information though, and pass it to the relevant dealership.
Chas(?) was the Ducati technical rep at that show.
 
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His name is Cody, from Ducati Vegas. Clue comes when he introduces himself at the beginning.
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RickD996 said:
They don't have salespeople on the stands at the shows. If a dealership has a stand, they have salespeople. Ducati will take your information though, and pass it to the relevant dealership.
Chas(?) was the Ducati technical rep at that show.
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mate you could of put the then head of ducati UK on the stand ... and he wouldn't of understood or known anything about chassis geometry...
 
Mike Hailwood was famous for knowing sweet .... all about bikes, he used to frustrate the mechanics because he would ride whatever they would give him and usually win! But here in Ducati world we have to spend hours dissecting "swingarm angle" when 90% of the customer base DGAF or CGAF
 
Well, it's like this Andy:
Ducati - swingarm raised 4mm.
Reality - swingarm goes from +1 position, to -3 position.

The reality, suggests a change of -4. Ducati advise a change of +4mm.

Ergo, I am unsure, of what moves in which direction. I'm pretty sure, there is a change of 4mm, one way or another.

Potentially, the frame markings indicate the chassis position relative to the swingarm, and Ducati are describing the swingarm position relative to the chassis.
 
RickD996 said:
Well, it's like this Andy:
Ducati - swingarm raised 4mm.
Reality - swingarm goes from +1 position, to -3 position.

The reality, suggests a change of -4. Ducati advise a change of +4mm.

Ergo, I am unsure, of what moves in which direction. I'm pretty sure, there is a change of 4mm, one way or another.

Potentially, the frame markings indicate the chassis position relative to the swingarm, and Ducati are describing the swingarm position relative to the chassis.
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My understanding is that the later bike swingarm pivot point was raised 4mm to the +1 position of the original v4r, and that the adjustment range references the pivot point within the chassis:

+1 higher (greater swingarm angle relative to horizontal, greater anti-squat)

-3 lower (lesser swingarm angle relative to horizontal, less anti-squat)
 
craig bush said:
My understanding is that the later bike swingarm pivot point was raised 4mm to the +1 position of the original v4r, and that the adjustment range references the pivot point within the chassis:

+1 higher (greater swingarm angle relative to horizontal, greater anti-squat)

-3 lower (lesser swingarm angle relative to horizontal, less anti-squat)
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100%, the 22 onwards bikes, had the same pivot point as the stock setting of the 19 V4R: -3
The pre 22 bikes were equivalent to +1
 
craig bush said:
So your understanding is that the -3 position raises the swingarm pivot 4mm higher than the +1 position?

That seems counterintuitive.
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Craig, absolutely! That's why I've not been sure which direction the pivot moves. But, in a way that only an Italian company can manage, I think the markings are relevant to the chassis. And the movement of the pivot is described in marketing, is relevant to the swingarm.

Obviously, lowering the chassis, from +1 to -3, is the same as raising the swingarm pivot.
 
Well done for taking time away to look to work it out…..however between you it’s as clear as mud as within two posts next to one another you are contradicting each other!

Forgetting numbers for a moment… let’s establish a few facts!
The chassis remains in the same place
The SA pivot that is eccentric and moves up and down relative to the chassis.
The higher the swing arm pivot the greater the swing arm angle
The higher the SA pivot the more track focused it is
My 22 fixed pivot is indeed at the same height as the previous R as I have the spider rearsets with the full mounting brackets and to fit they use the lower holes indicating the pivot is higher
 

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