2023 V4R, anyone else disappointed?

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RickD996 said:
+1 is the same as the pre 22 bike.
When I tried +1, I ran shock length of 318mm (but obviously fairly useless information without wheelbase or comparable ride height measurement).
I ran the forks flush, but had Mupo cartridges, which give a different fork length anyway.
I did about 3k miles with +1 swingarm position, never found a brilliant setting. When I went back to the -3, bike was so much nicer to ride, for my riding style. The bike, with +1, was incredible on the brakes and throttle, wouldn't corner well, and mid corner speed was low. Reminded me of the description of Dovi's GP bike.
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-3 is lower, less swingarm angle, and less anti-squat?
 
All the pics I have seen of the R so far. Have been heavily loaded with the optional accessories.
 
craig bush said:
But less swingarm angle and anti-squat?
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As I said, I don't know whether the position goes up or down, relative to each other, so unsure of increase or decrease in angle. I'm sure someone can enlighten us though.
Same with 'anti-squat', it's not a term, or characteristic, that I use or can describe. I rode the -3 and the +1 back to back in Spain a few years ago, and the characteristics were as I described previously. I set each bike up, as best I could at the time. Front and rear ride heights were lower for the -3. The only other change I made, was I rotated the headstock cup 180⁰ for the +1, to try and help the bike turn, which it did. I've got the lap footage somewhere. And, as they used to say about the different settings, I was 0.75 quicker on the -3, but the bike was so much easier to ride (much less physical effort)
 
RickD996 said:
🤷‍♂️ I'm not sure what's lower, the chassis, or the swingarm.
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Tbf, looks like the -3 gave greater throttle stability. Is that a consequence of greater antisquat?

Bear in mind, I'd ridden the +1 for a year, and the -3 for two sessions, so still improvements to be found. And, two seconds off my PB on the BMW there 🤦‍♂️

 
RickD996 said:
Tbf, looks like the -3 gave greater throttle stability. Is that a consequence of greater antisquat?

Bear in mind, I'd ridden the +1 for a year, and the -3 for two sessions, so still improvements to be found. And, two seconds off my PB on the BMW there 🤦‍♂️

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Great video Rick, thanks.
It seemed as though the -3 setup with better traction brought in the TC more than the +1. Was it because you were enjoying it more or the tyre was more worn?
 
cl955 said:
Great video Rick, thanks.
It seemed as though the -3 setup with better traction brought in the TC more than the +1. Was it because you were enjoying it more or the tyre was more worn?
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Was a while ago! But potentially, I had more confidence, and was using more throttle. The tyre was the same tyre, one or two sessions older. It wasn't a Pirelli, so I don't think it would've dropped much.
 
2017 V4/V4S equivalent to +1
2019 V4R comes as -3
2022 V4/V4S equivalent to -3 (4mm change from previous, now the same as stock position of 2019 V4R)
2023 V4R comes as +1
 
They don't have salespeople on the stands at the shows. If a dealership has a stand, they have salespeople. Ducati will take your information though, and pass it to the relevant dealership.
Chas(?) was the Ducati technical rep at that show.
 

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