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andyb said:
Don’t know what your point is?
It’s 180 mph in sixth gear at around 11500 rpm…so a bit of rpm to go ..🤷🏼‍♂️
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You were posting to show that you used 6th gear and I wondered what gearing you were using. I was saying I was just under 10mph less and I’d only just got into 5th, so it seemed odd. I guess you had just got into 6th. It’s rarely needed at most circuits unless you’re super-fast.
 
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andyb said:
I’m sure your advise is invaluable…🙄
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Not mine. Simon Crafar. Might want to check out some videos of pros lapping Mugello. Everyone is over to that right side. But you do you. Just me returning the favor of invaluable nonsensical advice. Except I'm actually providing at least some modicum of evidence.

But more importantly, how fast do you lap Mugello with your fancy bike, Motospec software, and extensive "practical experience?" I'd imagine you'd only be off by 4-5 secs --7 tops-- from the WSBK boys. Anything more would be a waste. You'd think if you'd be running times that close you'd want to let the forum know. And I'd give you props for it because that's legit.
 
SuperDomestique said:
Not mine. Simon Crafar. Might want to check out some videos of pros lapping Mugello. Everyone is over to that right side. But you do you. Just me returning the favor of invaluable nonsensical advice. Except I'm actually providing at least some modicum of evidence.

But more importantly, how fast do you lap Mugello with your fancy bike, Motospec software, and extensive "practical experience?" I'd imagine you'd only be off by 4-5 secs --7 tops-- from the WSBK boys. Anything more would be a waste. You'd think if you'd be running times that close you'd want to let the forum know. And I'd give you props for it because that's legit.
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Crickets 🦗
 
SuperDomestique said:
Not mine. Simon Crafar. Might want to check out some videos of pros lapping Mugello. Everyone is over to that right side. But you do you. Just me returning the favor of invaluable nonsensical advice. Except I'm actually providing at least some modicum of evidence.

But more importantly, how fast do you lap Mugello with your fancy bike, Motospec software, and extensive "practical experience?" I'd imagine you'd only be off by 4-5 secs --7 tops-- from the WSBK boys. Anything more would be a waste. You'd think if you'd be running times that close you'd want to let the forum know. And I'd give you props for it because that's legit.
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Can’t believe you tried to make factual statements based on reading something on the internet… and of course not in possession of the full facts🤷🏼‍♂️

What happens if you are overtaking someone…do you both stay on the same line and just ride over the top of them?
A couple of frames before..
Idiot!… next stupid question!
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spooky said:
You were posting to show that you used 6th gear and I wondered what gearing you were using. I was saying I was just under 10mph less and I’d only just got into 5th, so it seemed odd. I guess you had just got into 6th. It’s rarely needed at most circuits unless you’re super-fast.
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The reason this doesn’t make sense is because there is clearly a lack of understanding around gearing. There is no point in having gears in the box if you are not using them . This is why you would change the only easy bit you can the final drive to-get the best set up for you at the track you are at,
In this instance having never been to mugello before I knew there was a long straight but also that there was a longer joined up flowing section for the back of the track , my plan was not to complicate learning the track with numerous gear changes around the back but have 3rd gear in a sweet spot to run up and down there s in and out of the linked up bends
A bonus was I almost got to max revs in 6th at the braking point at the end of the straight too.

Watch the professionals with a lot more technology to work a track out they just get to tge rev limiter in top gear at the braking point…. That of course may mean they run through the limiter at certain points of the track… but it is always a considered compromise.
 
andyb said:
The reason this doesn’t make sense is because there is clearly a lack of understanding around gearing. There is no point in having gears in the box if you are not using them . This is why you would change the only easy bit you can the final drive to-get the best set up for you at the track you are at,
In this instance having never been to mugello before I knew there was a long straight but also that there was a longer joined up flowing section for the back of the track , my plan was not to complicate learning the track with numerous gear changes around the back but have 3rd gear in a sweet spot to run up and down there s in and out of the linked up bends
A bonus was I almost got to max revs in 6th at the braking point at the end of the straight too.

Watch the professionals with a lot more technology to work a track out they just get to tge rev limiter in top gear at the braking point…. That of course may mean they run through the limiter at certain points of the track… but it is always a considered compromise.
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I seem to recall Rick choosing gearing to avoid using first gear, so he certainly had a gear in the box that he didn’t want to use. 😉

I didn’t have a misunderstanding about gearing - I am aware of the reasons for changing gearing to suit the track.

I asked because I believe the original point about not topping 6th gear anywhere was assuming standard gearing. I would guess a lot of us just use standard gearing for track days. Getting into different gearing choices to use all the gears is a different topic.

Anyway, let’s not go around in circles.
 
spooky said:
I seem to recall Rick choosing gearing to avoid using first gear, so he certainly had a gear in the box that he didn’t want to use. 😉

I didn’t have a misunderstanding about gearing - I am aware of the reasons for changing gearing to suit the track.

I asked because I believe the original point about not topping 6th gear anywhere was assuming standard gearing. I would guess a lot of us just use standard gearing for track days. Getting into different gearing choices to use all the gears is a different topic.

Anyway, let’s not go around in circles.
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Yeah it’s that good a process all the top racers do it… 6 speed gearbox but only use 5👍
 
andyb said:
Yeah it’s that good a process all the top racers do it… 6 speed gearbox but only use 5👍
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Never said it was a good process - I simply said that Rick did it to avoid using first and he wasn’t slow and he was racing rather than just doing track days. 🤷‍♂️

Also not saying that’s normal.
 
andyb said:
My dash, aim solo 2 dl and the speed trap were all very comparable….🤷🏼‍♂️
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I thought the speed shown on the dashboard was from the wheel sensor and that usually over reads the speed on all vehicles. I would expect the dashboard speed to be higher than GPS or a speed trap.
 
From my understanding, Rick did his gearing for multiple reasons apart from skipping the sometimes problematic 1-2 shift. It was for wheelbase, anti-squat, ease of riding, torque, etc. Lots more involved than using the whole box
 
andyb said:
Can’t believe you tried to make factual statements based on reading something on the internet… and of course not in possession of the full facts🤷🏼‍♂️

What happens if you are overtaking someone…do you both stay on the same line and just ride over the top of them?
A couple of frames before..
Idiot!… next stupid question!
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For all I know from your NEW photo, you’re getting passed down the right side because you left the door open. 180 down the Mugello straight in 6th only pulling 11-12k rpm seems slow.

Also, c’mon mate post the video and lap times! Why so coy with them if your such the Billy big bollox?
 
cl955 said:
I have found the dashboard readout on the V4 to be only a few mph higher than the GPS on my separate laptimer.
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Do you mean dashboard as in the speedo or what DDA reports on your dashboard? You would normally expect quite a big discrepancy between reported speed and actual speed on any vehicle.
 
SuperDomestique said:
For all I know from your NEW photo, you’re getting passed down the right side because you left the door open. 180 down the Mugello straight in 6th only pulling 11-12k rpm seems slow.

Also, c’mon mate post the video and lap times! Why so coy with them if your such the Billy big bollox?
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For all you know……. Doesn’t really give us much to play with does it🤷🏼‍♂️
 
spooky said:
Do you mean dashboard as in the speedo or what DDA reports on your dashboard? You would normally expect quite a big discrepancy between reported speed and actual speed on any vehicle.
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The speedo - I don't have DDA. Oddly, I find the V4s speedo to be far more realistic (although still over) than other bikes that I have owned, especially the mechanically driven speedo ducatis (2 of which I still own) which have been way over.
 

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