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Now you're changing the game... Your BS turns out to be not BS bc the Euros are spending more on Ukraine than the US. Also the US has always been spending more on defense than the EU bc the US is the global leader. The US sphere of influence is global (Russia, Middle East, Afghanistan, China are the big ones) whereas Europe only has to worry about Russia. But here's the actual numbers. They follow the same trend of decrease defense spending as %GDP.

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I'm not changing the game, dude quoted me talking about the EU spending more on defense so we can focus on the Pacific, then started going on about Ukraine. It's not my fault libs have a limited reading comprehension.
 
I'll take this argument. EU is sending more military aid to Ukraine relative to GDP to keep things apples to apples. US sent $69B on 3.4% defense spending as a percentage of GDP that's only 0.26% GDP. The EU sent $54B on 1.5% defense spending as a percentage of GDP and that's 0.3% GDP.
 
You're still comparing apples to oranges. I'm talking about the EU increasing their spending and increasing the size of militaries to protect themselves. Ukraine is just a fking side show.
 
Let's say WWIII breaks out, it's NATO and friends vs the Axis of a-holes (China, N-Korea, Russia, Iran). Can the EU go smoke Russia without our help while we go mix it up with China?
 
Let's say WWIII breaks out, it's NATO and friends vs the Axis of a-holes (China, N-Korea, Russia, Iran). Can the EU go smoke Russia without our help while we go mix it up with China?
Yes. Russia can’t even win the war in Ukraine despite having a huge advantage. Russia barely has enough matériels and personnel to fight this war. Europe would steamroll Russia if it came to a conventional war. The only thing Russia has to fallback on its nuclear arsenal
 
Let's say WWIII breaks out, it's NATO and friends vs the Axis of a-holes (China, N-Korea, Russia, Iran). Can the EU go smoke Russia without our help while we go mix it up with China?
WW3 is not breaking out. Yes the EU can handle Russia, it’s just they don’t have any reason to because they know the US will step in and foot the bill. Russia only has the GDP or France, so Russia is not really a problem, it’s just about handling Putin like the psychopath he is. Keep him worn down, make him go 15 rounds, let him see that global expansion is not really an option. With just a few thousand stinger misses sent from the west, or whatever they are, he has lost a frightening amount of his air power. He just can’t take on everyone. No one is Europe is going to let Putin move west, so they just have to pacify him gently and keep nukes out of the scenario.
 
But I think we both agree that Europe has gotten complacent and need to start building up their war machine. I think we’d also both agree that we want a strong Europe. Putin has been able to bully bc Europe has been so complacent
 
Putin must be having the time of his life, watching the Western 'allies' fight among themselves while being too scared to call his bluff and show some strength (the only thing he would respect).

He really couldn't have planned it better or hoped for more. A total piece of ..... but a master manipulator.
 
Putin must be having the time of his life, watching the Western 'allies' fight among themselves while being too scared to call his bluff and show some strength (the only thing he would respect).

He really couldn't have planned it better or hoped for more. A total piece of ..... but a master manipulator.
How do you know he did not plan this? Based on the obvious collaboration between him and Trump, not to mention his normal interference in foreign policy around the globe, I would not be surprised...
 
But I think we both agree that Europe has gotten complacent and need to start building up their war machine. I think we’d also both agree that we want a strong Europe. Putin has been able to bully bc Europe has been so complacent
Build up their war machine and be willing to use it. Right now I don't think the EU has the guts to use it no matter how big it is.
 
Right now I don't think the EU has the guts to use it no matter how big it is.
And there's a big part of the problem. Complacency has lead to weakness, which only encourages someone like Putin. It's sad that Trump is doing everything possible to weaken Ukraine, perhaps in the mistaken belief that Russia can be an ally, financially or otherwise, under Putin's rule. He's also weakening the Western alliance (which could accidentally result in a stronger European alliance, which he would no doubt take credit for as part of his best plan the world's ever seen) and insulting his allies along the way (along with Vance and his apparent lack of awareness - or gratitude - for the support that other countries have given in various US shenanigans).

What a mess.
 
It's all coming true...

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Build up their war machine and be willing to use it. Right now I don't think the EU has the guts to use it no matter how big it is.
You fail to understand the reason for the EU, its not a country its a structure that has effectively neutered member states so that they stop killing each other. It has made a successful effort so far to curb nationalism, fascism, monarchism, imperialism etc that kept it in an almost constant state of war for a thousand years. That is why the EU is so hellbent on keeping the war going with Russia, because once the music stops the EU its toast.
 
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The purpose of war is to steal other people’s .... and make slaves out of them. End. Finish. That is all.

However, I was answering the question from the point of view of the person asking the question.

So when the US flew over to asia and went to war against the Afghans the US wanted to steal their .... and make them slaves.... ok sounds about right
 
ok I'll make it easy and answer

The purpose of war is to destroy the enemies army- end of story. Not to gain territory, assets or resources. Those are political aims and war is an extension of politics in that you want the other side to bend to your will/political demands. But on the ground the fighting has one purpose only which as stated is to atrit the enemies forces. Everything else is noise
 

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