2012 1199s worth

esmirna8261980 said:

I got 4 bikes in my garage and they will be buried with me before I get some ....... low balling me, I don't mind having my bike sitting in the garage they pay off it don't cost me anything to keep it in the battery tenter and I pay $1200 at year to be able to ride a beautiful Italian supermodel any time I want.I see my bike 20 years from now sitting in the garage pristine wanting for my grandson to uncovered after my dead, people will asking where he find that bike and he proud will tell them it was my grandfather bike.

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I like your outlook. I envy people with multiple expensive bikes. I enjoy one Italian supermodel at a time.

Resale is what it is. If Ducati made "a million" of them it's because they could sell a million of them. The motorcycle market took a huge .... after 2008 and has never recovered. And sport bikes have been hit the hardest. 20 year olds with no money and no credit can no longer get sub prime loans and then pay $5,000 a year for insurance. And the only thing harder than getting a loan on a new bike is getting a loan on a used bike.

So what we have now is a market that sells a lot less bikes to people with money who can afford a new $20,000 bike. That leaves a void whereby the middle ground is gone. If you can afford a $15,000 bike you either go ahead and buy a $20,000 new bike, or you buy a $15,000 new bike because you either pay cash for it or you get a loan because manufacturers will help finance you to buy one of their new bikes. That drives down the value of used bikes. Nobody cares about subsidizing loans to sell used bikes.

There is nobody to blame for it. We pay to play because we are the fanatics.

esmirna8261980 said:

I got 4 bikes in my garage and they will be buried with me before I get some ....... low balling me, I don't mind having my bike sitting in the garage they pay off it don't cost me anything to keep it in the battery tenter and I pay $1200 at year to be able to ride a beautiful Italian supermodel any time I want.I see my bike 20 years from now sitting in the garage pristine wanting for my grandson to uncovered after my dead, people will asking where he find that bike and he proud will tell them it was my grandfather bike.

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Market value doesn't make someone an ........ Thinking your 5+ year old 1199S is with over $12K makes you an ........ It is sad how bad the market is, but depreciation is a real thing and a $10K offer for a 2012 S isn't that crazy. What's crazy is asking $16,000 for any 1199 with the market the way it is...

jjsC6 said:

Resale is what it is. If Ducati made "a million" of them it's because they could sell a million of them. The motorcycle market took a huge .... after 2008 and has never recovered. And sport bikes have been hit the hardest. 20 year olds with no money and no credit can no longer get sub prime loans and then pay $5,000 a year for insurance. And the only thing harder than getting a loan on a new bike is getting a loan on a used bike.

So what we have now is a market that sells a lot less bikes to people with money who can afford a new $20,000 bike. That leaves a void whereby the middle ground is gone. If you can afford a $15,000 bike you either go ahead and buy a $20,000 new bike, or you buy a $15,000 new bike because you either pay cash for it or you get a loan because manufacturers will help finance you to buy one of their new bikes. That drives down the value of used bikes. Nobody cares about subsidizing loans to sell used bikes.


There is nobody to blame for it. We pay to play because we are the fanatics.

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The market must be different where you are because around these parts 20 year olds flood the market with 3% or close loans and rates nowhere near $5K a year.
I've never seen so many expensive bikes piloted by young people in my life. I've personally seen 50+ panigales on my rides on 95 in Maryland, Delaware and NJ. Now that is just one stretch of about 100 miles. I've seen tons of them ridden by young adults.

Why anyone would buy one of these bikes with cash befuddles me. 3% loan is nearly free money. I can invest my money and make 8-12% why would I use my cash to buy a bike when my return can be 2 or 3 times greater than the loan interest? Fiscal policy is still easy money.

Lastly, dealers were selling these bikes for $3-$6,000 off sticker price since they first came out. They sold a million because they intentionally flooded them thereby driving the prices down, that's how they were able to sell them. If they tightened their allocations bikes wouldn't sit on showroom floors so long and therefore dealers wouldn't be knocking the values down so greatly.
Production numbers are directly related to value.

MdDuc said:

The market must be different where you are because around these parts 20 year olds flood the market with 3% or close loans and rates nowhere near $5K a year.
I've never seen so many expensive bikes piloted by young people in my life. I've personally seen 50+ panigales on my rides on 95 in Maryland, Delaware and NJ. Now that is just one stretch of about 100 miles. I've seen tons of them ridden by young adults.

Why anyone would buy one of these bikes with cash befuddles me. 3% loan is nearly free money. I can invest my money and make 8-12% why would I use my cash to buy a bike when my return can be 2 or 3 times greater than the loan interest? Fiscal policy is still easy money.

Lastly, dealers were selling these bikes for $3-$6,000 off sticker price since they first came out. They sold a million because they intentionally flooded them thereby driving the prices down, that's how they were able to sell them. If they tightened their allocations bikes wouldn't sit on showroom floors so long and therefore dealers wouldn't be knocking the values down so greatly.
Production numbers are directly related to value.

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First of all, I'm not talking about my area. I'm talking about what the market has done in general. My comment about "$5000" was insurance. I was making a general statement about how many times I've read what young folks pay for insurance on bikes like this.

As to $3,000 -$6,000 discounts, I've never seen that except around $3,000 on leftovers. But those numbers simply support my statement about how bad the market got. No way do I believe Ducati was trying to flood the market. I live in the fourth largest city in the country, and a city were we can ride year around. I probably se another Panigale of any sort on the road once every few months...no more. And the dealers here typically stock no more than a single handful of Panigales.

Regarding financing versus cash, you do what works for you. The point being that a large number of Superbikes were bought by young people who were no longer able to get financing - that was my point. I personally know the owners of three dealers who all told me the same story about why the market for motorcycles, and especially Superbikes had died so much. They could not get many potential buyers financed anymore.

BTW, 8-12% is not typical at all. If you are getting that, my hat is off to you. But don't act like that is typical or easy to do. I'm close to retirement and talk regularly to certified financial planners.

MdDuc,

You do make some good points, but at the end of the day, owner asks for whatever they want.

I do sometimes see really ridiculous asking price and I think to myself "He'll never sell with that price..." and move on. lol.

And i also never saw 3000-6000 off sticker since they came out and I bought 2 Panigales and also travelled/lived in many States and even other countries.

I've definitely seen $5k off msrp and I live in L.A. Both photos are S models. These photos were taken September 2014. 899's were 12,999 for both colors.

Deals are out there. It's just about patience and willing to do some research.

double0 said:

I've definitely seen $5k off msrp and I live in L.A. Both photos are S models. These photos were taken September 2014. 899's were 12,999 for both colors.

Deals are out there. It's just about patience and willing to do some research.

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Well.. he said when they came out...not sale deal after new models come out or whatever. Is this when they first came out?

1199 stealth black model came out spring 2014 so just a few months after it released.

double0 said:

I've definitely seen $5k off msrp and I live in L.A. Both photos are S models. These photos were taken September 2014. 899's were 12,999 for both colors.

Deals are out there. It's just about patience and willing to do some research.

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I bet these prices were only offered because of the new models coming out. All dealers blow the prices out when the newer models are coming. In September 2014, that's right about the time the 959 and 1299 were going to be available.

Case in point, I bought my 2016 Skidoo Summit 800 in January 2016 for $9800 out the door ($12,500 retail). Why? Because skidoo came out with their summit 850, which was released a month later. I anticipated it, so I bought the Burton model, which remained unchanged for 2017 (still has the 800 motor).
Right now, I could still sell my sled for what I bought it for new.

Time of year definitely plays into motorcycle and snowmobile selling everywhere, but especially where I am (Utah). Best time of year to buy a motorcycle, winter to early spring. That's why the last 3 bikes I've gotten were from Houston, Mississippi and Oklahoma City (all Ducatis) and in February, March and November.

Just sayin'.

I just traded my tricolore in on a 1299s... It had broken way too many times to keep, although the RPM one warranty was a godsend....

They gave me 12.5k for a trade in.. But knocked the price on the 1299s from 26,100 to 20,000 flat...

Given that I had 10k miles, tons of rock chips, and it was ridden hard, I was happy with the deal. In addition they swapped all my parts over to the 1299, they threw in a wheel-tire warranty, and I was okay with the deal.

I do miss my Christmas ornament colors though.

Speaking from Personal Experience

gman74 said:

I'll accept your opinon and labeling me an "......." right along with this group, but stop exaggerating the age of our supermodels. No 1199 made it stateside until springtime 2012 (not winter of 2011).
Shouldn't this be the site to come for talking up the Ducati? I'd expect this negative speak from non-Ducati sites.

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Gents -

This is EXACTLY why I could never post my Tri for sale on this site, or other Duke sites - because it turns into a disaster! Also. why in the world would something like this turn into a pissing contest, with members calling each other derogatory names n ....? No doubt this is a DUCATI site and one should easily get their point across other ways if you think someone is trying to sell their bike for too much, no? Hell, I would personally take offense to it if someone started jumping my case if my own Tri was listed too high (In THEIR opinion)
No need for this stuff at all my friends. Agree to disagree, as Mark even stated toward me above - for saying I need to sell my Tri "As Is" with all of the aftermarket gear on it, due to selling the stock gear. That was tactfully done in my eyes. Lastly, I do agree that w the current offers from Freedom Road, etc one can obtain a Duke for next to nothing loan wise. But someone MAY (Perhaps hoping in my case) want one of these bikes in their first series release?) Who knows right? (Btw- You will NEVER read me calling a Ducati by its commonly spoken name as a "Duc" = pronounced "Duck", and even posted a thread on this topic years ago too I believe?) LMFAO !!

youngR said:

Well.. he said when they came out...not sale deal after new models come out or whatever. Is this when they first came out?

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As Gman stated above. The initial series of these bikes started coming into the US around "Earliest" being April- Mine was bought in May, and his in June I believe. But my "Phenomenal" POC and Dealership here in the Mid Atlantic region contacted me when they were literally On Their Way here - which resulted in my purchase in May. Regarding "inside info" & sales costs (TO ME) both back then- and at this present moment - I guarantee that no other dealer can ever match , or come close to the prices I am lucky enough to obtain from him, and the most internal info on model ETA & construction (PLEASE understand this is NOT tone construed as bragging or cocky whatsoever!) Im just saying that due to my background within the Co as a whole, and those I am lucky enough to call friends high up within it, I happen to know when any model is "Inbound" for US Sales. Actually, I have offered, and even hooked up multiple people / members here, with "Cost Deals" on bikes - and still offer that to anyone interested in buying one out here in the Virginia area too!

Guess that was entirely too long of an answer to your question YoungR. Sorry!

Perhaps one day I will get off my ass and get my 2012 Ducati 1199s Tricolore, that is heavily modified, up for sale "Somewhere" and of course check here and other Ducati sites, to see what the "Going Rate" is for them. Until then. the offer stands for anyone who could assist selling my Tri - I will guarantee you a cash or check for at least $500 or more if your help results in a sale! LOL =

Merry Christmas everyone!!

Hey guys

I am sorry to read all this with the insane depreciation!

I am about to buy a panigale and here in Germany the situation is (unfortunately) not similar.

A 10k miles 1199s costs at least 14,5k€
A 1299S goes for at least 22000€ !!

Good for the seller bad for me [emoji23]

Anyone's knows if it's possible to import a panigale from the states? [emoji16]


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I realize this is an outdated thread but I just traded in My 2012 1199S(non ABS) with 12k miles returned to stock except for the DP Levers which I had to leave on because I didn't retain the stock ones to replace them with.Anyway I got a disgraceful 11k for it on trade for a new 16 ZX10R KRT ABS which I got 1800k off sticker (500) of it was a Kawi Rebate which one month later became a $1500 Rebate Farkin Kawasaki!!! I was able to strip the 1199 of its aftermarket goodies and sold them here for about $1500 so it was like getting $12.5k for the bike plus some additional tax savings of about $800 netted me close to $13.5k but that is bad in my book,The bike took a bad hit, more than a Jap bike would have.I could not sell the bike on my own for any price and jumped on the 11k offer from dealer which has NOT sold the bike yet(2 months) he is asking $12995.
Too many 1199s produced with a replacement model too soon killed the value.

I bought my 2013 panigale s 5000kms which was purchased in 2014 for just over half price, high valued toys depreciate the fastest.

Also doesn't help the global economy isn't doing too well and not out of the woods of the gfc.