Handling differences between my 1199S and R1--need some understanding--
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Power 5's? I got sold them as an improved RS but they totally sucked on track. Might be good for sport touring but not a high performance tire.
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Well, I don't ride on track with Street tires. Really a bad idea IMHO. Get the proper tires, and a spare pair of rims, if you want to do track days. Power 5's work great on the street, and the compound doesn't have to be super hot to get traction. The silica makes sure of that. Power 5 is a Superbike tire, not a sport touring tire. Only street tire step up in Michelins would be the Power GP or equivalent, but since you can't hang out at 95% performance on STREET pavement, with all the flaws, sand, grit and bad places, why bother with a tire you'll never be able to use properly? If I was doing Pirelli I'd go with the Diablo Rosso Corsa 2's. No sense in paying for more tire than you'll ever be able to use on the road. Tires that 'totaly suck' in a track only environment, with warmers, ultra smooth and clean pavement and dry conditions, still work perfectly well in the street environment.
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Im sure P5's are a great street tire I personally dont like them on track nor do I rate Power GPs or Power RS's on the big twins, however the PowerCups are great. As I said I got sold them as a high performance tire- but thats not what was in the box.
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YOU really need to try the Q4s, much of what you are complaining about is your set up combined with tires and pressures.
Most run F
Sage advise, I see him every track day, and they guy knows this better then most anyone you can find in public
This bike was easy to dial in, you set sag, you set suspension rebound and compression front and rear, set tire pressure 30F 29 R and ride it. Takes very little dialing in after that. less tire pressure for different track temps.
sage advise iim only 1 lb less in rear. But I wanted to add these pressures also work great for the street and canyons
Just the opposite for me, but I go between a multistrada pikes peak and my 1199S. Ive run both the SC and the Q and the SC's have a sketchy feeling once they get past the 40% worn mark. As to where the Q3 and Q4 give you that mid corner stability you are loooking for.
YES it is. Its set up for 2 up and there is almost no rear sag. Setting sag is key, 30R and 35F and honestly at your weight the bike is under sprung. You could contact dave moss and he will advise on what you need. You can dial in the DES to compensate for the lack of springs but its not the same as having proper springs.
I think once you are a fast A rider sure. sage advise. Anything under that and its over kill IMHO. But with that said I would only run the best tires designed for street/track days. Love my Qs and for a slower A rider like myself SC's or Mich, or Q's or Ps have been working well enough. We dont really loose to much grip shoving into the tights stuff while scubbing speed off. The SCs we average 3 track days, my Qs will make it 4 that are on there now. The fast A rider,s we hang with that runs tire warmers and slicks gets 1 to 2 days depeding on temps and choice of which SC slicks their is using. We run mainly Thill, Sonoma, Laguna
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It's an unfortunate fact of any hobby/passion pass time that if you want good stuff people are going to sell you what THEY think works. Caveat Emptor.. Most street Hi Performance tires will work okay for the slow group on a track day. But once you push those tires to their liimit it's time for slicks and warmers, and they get pushed to their limit rather quickly once a person gets enough confidence and starts diving hard into corners and learning when to hit that throtle properly. It's a Ballet of Balance, with the tires being a major player. I hate bad ballet.
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Gregg, you need to go see Doc Allen, lives off 1431...will cost you $200 bucks but youll love the exp and he teaches as he goes. He's setup my 11 and 12...
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@greggiacona you going to COTA this month? I’ll be there with @MOTION SBK for trackside support. Brad is very knowledgeable and helpful. I think we have garage space available still.
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Not this month---not willing to pay $500 to sweat my jazz off! Maybe this fall--
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Is that the OnRoadOffRoad guy? Can't remember his name. He set up my R1 nicely at COTA a few years ago--- He lives just a few miles from me--
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That’s Roger Albert.
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We’ll be there in October for RR fest too.
Hilarious! Thanks!
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not fully apples to apples for your original question. I ride a 2013 1199 base model with Ohlins cartridge inserts up front and a TTX on the rear. I spent a fair amount of time to get the sag set up correctly for me (tall heavy guy). To just walk up to the bike and push on the suspension you'd think it was stiff, but at speed on the track it works very well. I only run the track with this bikes and thus far only on pirelli slicks. The bike handles extremely well and always feel planted. I've been on the pirelli's for so long I dont even notice the squirm that these have - it's just normal now. About the only thing I notice is that when coming out of slow corners onto long straights I'll get a little weave as I'm hard on the throttle and climbing back on top of the bike - more an issue with my technique than anything else. I'm a mid pack club racer so I am moving at a good clip. Anyway, long story to confirm that when set up for your needs these bikes will handle very well.
1199 is meant to be ridden differently than an R1. R1 riding is done like most 600 cc bikes. Smooth with reasonable trail braking. Nothing abrupt. The way you would ride if you were defending your inside line. The 1199 is ridden like a liter bike. Late trail braking into a late apex. Aggressive turn in at that point and then aggressively straightening out for the exit. You would ride that way if you didnt have anyone on the inside of your line. Very little time spent using maintenance throttle.
So, the 1199 is deliberately sprung light on the front and stiff on the rear. This requires track tires and pressures. Meaning soft carcass and low pressure in the rear.
Once you understand the two riding techniques you'll be better in both bikes.
So, the 1199 is deliberately sprung light on the front and stiff on the rear. This requires track tires and pressures. Meaning soft carcass and low pressure in the rear.
Once you understand the two riding techniques you'll be better in both bikes.
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