Handling differences between my 1199S and R1--need some understanding--

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Well, I don't ride on track with Street tires. Really a bad idea IMHO. Get the proper tires, and a spare pair of rims, if you want to do track days. Power 5's work great on the street, and the compound doesn't have to be super hot to get traction. The silica makes sure of that. Power 5 is a Superbike tire, not a sport touring tire. Only street tire step up in Michelins would be the Power GP or equivalent, but since you can't hang out at 95% performance on STREET pavement, with all the flaws, sand, grit and bad places, why bother with a tire you'll never be able to use properly? If I was doing Pirelli I'd go with the Diablo Rosso Corsa 2's. No sense in paying for more tire than you'll ever be able to use on the road. Tires that 'totaly suck' in a track only environment, with warmers, ultra smooth and clean pavement and dry conditions, still work perfectly well in the street environment.
 
Im sure P5's are a great street tire I personally dont like them on track nor do I rate Power GPs or Power RS's on the big twins, however the PowerCups are great. As I said I got sold them as a high performance tire- but thats not what was in the box.
 
greggiacona said:
I am running the stock Pirelli Supercorsas. I'm prone to keep running those as yes, the bike was designed around that specific tire.
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YOU really need to try the Q4s, much of what you are complaining about is your set up combined with tires and pressures.
greggiacona said:
Are other 1199S owners successfully running in dynamic mode so the suspension is actively adjusting to the current road conditions?
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Most run F
Sheikh said:
I'd advise a bit of binge watching of Dave Moss
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Sage advise, I see him every track day, and they guy knows this better then most anyone you can find in public
Paul G said:
The stiffness of the xx99's is great on track where the harder you push the better you feel but the bike is hard to dial in.
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This bike was easy to dial in, you set sag, you set suspension rebound and compression front and rear, set tire pressure 30F 29 R and ride it. Takes very little dialing in after that. less tire pressure for different track temps.
Paul G said:
on the track I'd start 30/30
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sage advise iim only 1 lb less in rear. But I wanted to add these pressures also work great for the street and canyons
greggiacona said:
I'd like to hear from other 1199 riders ("S" or otherwise) who are experiencing the same thing--or possibly the opposite?
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Just the opposite for me, but I go between a multistrada pikes peak and my 1199S. Ive run both the SC and the Q and the SC's have a sketchy feeling once they get past the 40% worn mark. As to where the Q3 and Q4 give you that mid corner stability you are loooking for.
greggiacona said:
I'm wondering if the bike is prone to crash, in its stock settings.
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YES it is. Its set up for 2 up and there is almost no rear sag. Setting sag is key, 30R and 35F and honestly at your weight the bike is under sprung. You could contact dave moss and he will advise on what you need. You can dial in the DES to compensate for the lack of springs but its not the same as having proper springs.
Sheikh said:
Well, I don't ride on track with Street tires. Really a bad idea IMHO. Get the proper tires, and a spare pair of rims, if you want to do track days.
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I think once you are a fast A rider sure. sage advise. Anything under that and its over kill IMHO. But with that said I would only run the best tires designed for street/track days. Love my Qs and for a slower A rider like myself SC's or Mich, or Q's or Ps have been working well enough. We dont really loose to much grip shoving into the tights stuff while scubbing speed off. The SCs we average 3 track days, my Qs will make it 4 that are on there now. The fast A rider,s we hang with that runs tire warmers and slicks gets 1 to 2 days depeding on temps and choice of which SC slicks their is using. We run mainly Thill, Sonoma, Laguna
 
Paul G said:
Im sure P5's are a great street tire I personally dont like them on track nor do I rate Power GPs or Power RS's on the big twins, however the PowerCups are great. As I said I got sold them as a high performance tire- but thats not what was in the box.
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It's an unfortunate fact of any hobby/passion pass time that if you want good stuff people are going to sell you what THEY think works. Caveat Emptor.. Most street Hi Performance tires will work okay for the slow group on a track day. But once you push those tires to their liimit it's time for slicks and warmers, and they get pushed to their limit rather quickly once a person gets enough confidence and starts diving hard into corners and learning when to hit that throtle properly. It's a Ballet of Balance, with the tires being a major player. I hate bad ballet.
 
greggiacona said:
… There are some curvy roads here in Austin and I can certainly push it a bit--but not willing to risk life/limb and machine to find out! The R1 at COTA seems rock solid by comparison-- Haven't taken the 1199S to COTA--yet. A drop there could be $$$$...
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@greggiacona you going to COTA this month? I’ll be there with @MOTION SBK for trackside support. Brad is very knowledgeable and helpful. I think we have garage space available still.
 
SirJAG said:
Gregg, you need to go see Doc Allen, lives off 1431...will cost you $200 bucks but youll love the exp and he teaches as he goes. He's setup my 11 and 12...
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Is that the OnRoadOffRoad guy? Can't remember his name. He set up my R1 nicely at COTA a few years ago--- He lives just a few miles from me--
 
6'4" and 240lbs? Wow.

Listen up, Lurch, your riding experience on anything will never be the same as an average person, much less a scrawny Italian or Japanese kid. No one else has the same issues you have. It's just you.
 
Fishdicks said:
6'4" and 240lbs? Wow.

Listen up, Lurch, your riding experience on anything will never be the same as an average person, much less a scrawny Italian or Japanese kid. No one else has the same issues you have. It's just you.
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Ummm... "Lurch" ?? Next he's going to start fat shaming ME, and talking smack about my white beard.... Just a question. . . How tall is the tallest GP or WSB rider? Quartararo is 6' tall and Loris Baz in WSBK is 6'-2", but they are both very thin and light for their height. The weight is more a problem than the height, and I see LOTS of Fat Boys on sport bikes.
 
I haven't seen his time slips. . .but it is my experience that the more people talk trash the less they know how to HAUL trash. . . ;)
 

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