2015 S or 2014 R for about the same price

Chaotic · Apr 23, 2015

990Glen said:
Because it makes me grin from ear to ear when I open the garage each day and see it sitting there.

Nobody can fault that logic. At the end of the day, that is the reason for everything we do. At some tracks I have went as much as 2 seconds faster on my 2009 675 than I have on my 2013 RSV4. But that RSV4 just looks, sounds and feels wicked. Like you said, it moves the soul.

So I get that.

And also the comments about the R's engine internals being better suited for the track make sense (although I thought the 1299's internals were improved vs the 1199 non-R...which should make the 1299 a little more reliable in the track environment, no?).

I have never been one to give people a hard time about spending money. If it will make you grin, go for it. That is the main reason for half the .... I do. I was just curious about why people say the R would be a better track bike.

cosmok · Apr 23, 2015

Chaotic said:
Nobody can fault that logic. At the end of the day, that is the reason for everything we do. At some tracks I have went as much as 2 seconds faster on my 2009 675 than I have on my 2013 RSV4. But that RSV4 just looks, sounds and feels wicked. Like you said, it moves the soul.

So I get that.

And also the comments about the R's engine internals being better suited for the track make sense (although I thought the 1299's internals were improved vs the 1199 non-R...which should make the 1299 a little more reliable in the track environment, no?).

I have never been one to give people a hard time about spending money. If it will make you grin, go for it. That is the main reason for half the .... I do. I was just curious about why people say the R would be a better track bike.

The R has lighter engine internals. While it doesn't necessarily make more power than the standard 1199 engine, it does have a higher rev limit/redline(500rpm) and will rev more quickly. Both of those attributes are beneficial on the race track.

Mutt1979 · Apr 23, 2015

990Glen said:
Up until the Panigale, ownership of an R was a bit of a special club, with limited numbers available. Whether it would make you quicker or not is anyone's guess as most folk couldnt use 90% of the full bike potential anyways.
I have had several R models in the past as I have been lucky enough to afford them and I liked that little bit of exclusivity.
With the pani, I chose the R for basically the same reasons. It will see the track a couple of times a year maybe, but main track duties will be with my 1098R. The rest of the time, the pani will be my street bike and commuter. Why that instead of an S? Because it makes me grin from ear to ear when I open the garage each day and see it sitting there.
Sure the S has a lot more bells and whistles with the suspension tech, and would probably suit my needs better. But its not an R and for me, that wouldnt stir the soul as much.

R every time if you can justify the costs.

You've just hit the nail on the head for me. I had some head scratching over the 2015 R vs 1299.

Now I have the R I know that for me I have made the right choice, for the road and I will take it to the track.

One of the main reasons I actually went for this model as I'm a bit old school and don't want the semi-active/electronic suspension. Admittedly though, I haven't tried a 1299 so can't compare them.

But yeah, I have to agree, I could also just look at it all day in my garage!!!

990Glen · Apr 23, 2015

Mutt1979 said:
One of the main reasons I actually went for this model as I'm a bit old school and don't want the semi-active/electronic suspension. Admittedly though, I haven't tried a 1299 so can't compare them.

Strangely enough, I had the same thoughts. I did think the mode change suspension was a nice trinket on my MTS12, but I also had a few warranty issues with it. Failures could get quite expensive long term as well a major pain in the chuff.
If I had bought an S I would have been looking to get rid after 3 or 4 years.
With the R, I will keep it permanently, and then just add somthing else to the stable as cash permits. (Probs the next generation R

)

slickwill · Apr 23, 2015

990Glen said:
Why that instead of an S? Because it makes me grin from ear to ear when I open the garage each day and see it sitting there.
Sure the S has a lot more bells and whistles with the suspension tech, and would probably suit my needs better. But its not an R and for me, that wouldnt stir the soul as much.

That's why I chose the R. I'll be slow on either of them, probably slower on the R because I'll be $10k more afraid to crash it

. I've always wanted a Ducati and was in a position to finally get one. I decided on the R because it's just so HOT.

ygfamily21 · Apr 23, 2015

Get R. ONly R can give you an orgasm.

if you can wait and got money get 15 R if not get 14R. 14 R is a beast.

SuperDuc29 · Apr 23, 2015

mutt1979 said:
if you're going to the track get the r. If you're using it on the street "f*ck 'em" get the r anyways!!!.............

:d

+1 +1 +1 !

quackquack · Apr 23, 2015

The 13/14 R looks better then the 15s however the 15s is obviously faster street or track hands down. The technology is also far more superior. The 15R is the best looking of all but it's not about cosmetics I think the 15s is a no Brainer.

DavidS · Apr 23, 2015

ygfamily21 said:
Get R. ONly R can give you an orgasm.

if you can wait and got money get 15 R if not get 14R. 14 R is a beast.

You are playing with my emotions. [emoji12] I would have to wait 3-4 month if I would reserve the 15R today. It's sold out already for the next 3 deliveries.

After reading all these great comments I may wait until the 2015 models are available for a test drive.

I will go by tomorrow and make a downplay to reserve one. ;-)

Maybe I keep the monster for the daily
Commute and use the R15 for track only.

Cheers everyone.
David

DavidS · Apr 23, 2015

quackquack said:
The 13/14 R looks better then the 15s however the 15s is obviously faster street or track hands down. The technology is also far more superior. The 15R is the best looking of all but it's not about cosmetics I think the 15s is a no Brainer.

Thanks for the feedback. I'm looking forward testing and compare the models

Thamer · Apr 23, 2015

Yeah I wish my '13 R came with "traditional " suspension, however I'm overall happy enough with it that I wouldn't upgrade yet. 2016 maybe a different story.

Having said that, I'm still grappling with changing out my suspension for a traditional set up. So, if I was in the market for a bike for the track only the '15R wins my vote.

wilkson · Apr 23, 2015

I am choosing to go with Mupo suspension in my new bike 1299 have not been convinced with the Ohlins set up on the other bike 1199R .
I have a few mates I race with using Mupo and are getting great results . Will be interesting for me to try both bikes at the same track to compare .

Thamer · Apr 23, 2015

I've looked at mupo as well. If you can get some base settings for the mupo posted here I would be inclined to go that route as well. The lack of experience here and no support experience posted makes me wonder. I will probably order the rear first and then the forks cartridges. Too much to lay out in one go.

Chaotic · Apr 23, 2015

wilkson said:
I am choosing to go with Mupo suspension in my new bike 1299 have not been convinced with the Ohlins set up on the other bike 1199R .

I obviously don't know you or who your suspension tuner is, but I have to say if you aren't getting the results you want out of Ohlins, then 100% of the blame has to be put on your suspension tuner.

Ohlins is the most popular and winning-est suspension in the world, at every level...even on ATV's.

The issue can't be with the suspension components (assuming you have high quality components). Perhaps you need different spring rates, or valving, or fluid viscosity, or more/less fluid, or your geometry optimized.

I have tried several different suspension brands, and always go back to Ohlins.

Thamer · Apr 23, 2015

Since the thread now has officially been hijacked. Does anyone use the TTX with the hydraulic preloaded?

Thamer · Apr 23, 2015

Chaotic said:
I obviously don't know you or who your suspension tuner is, but I have to say if you aren't getting the results you want out of Ohlins, then 100% of the blame has to be put on your suspension tuner.

Ohlins is the most popular and winning-est suspension in the world, at every level...even on ATV's.

The issue can't be with the suspension components (assuming you have high quality components). Perhaps you need different spring rates, or valving, or fluid viscosity, or more/less fluid, or your geometry optimized.

I have tried several different suspension brands, and always go back to Ohlins.

Mupo is used by many of the Ducati race teams so I think it's great stuff. I don't think one can ever say one brand is definitely better than the other. It's like saying Microsoft is better than Apple, which isn't the truth, however they are the biggest and most widely used.

Chaotic · Apr 24, 2015

Thamer said:
Mupo is used by many of the Ducati race teams so I think it's great stuff. I don't think one can ever say one brand is definitely better than the other. It's like saying Microsoft is better than Apple, which isn't the truth, however they are the biggest and most widely used.

I don't have any experience with Mupo.

But I truly feel that regardless of suspension brand, it ALL comes down to setup (which include internal setups with valving/spring rates/etc).

In other words, if I already had Ohlins, I wouldn't buy another brand and remove the Ohlins. I would just get the Ohlins setup the way it needs to be. You (read: anybody) could swap brands and have the same issues (or even more issues).

At the end of the day, it all comes down to setup and working with a good suspension tuner. Suspension setup is a living thing, there is no "right" setup. There is only a right setup for that day/track/set of circumstances. We constantly work on setup and it changes day to day, track to track.

Thamer · Apr 24, 2015

I live in apart of the world where good brand oil and spark plugs are luxuries. Suspension service is something you only dream about...lol. I'm trying to work a deal where I can DHL my stuff to Kyle racing and they will s me send them back. Though pricing right now makes it easier to just buy new units

Chaotic · Apr 24, 2015

Ahhhhh, I see. Hadnt thought about that part.

My bad.

wilkson · Apr 24, 2015

Chaotic said:
I obviously don't know you or who your suspension tuner is, but I have to say if you aren't getting the results you want out of Ohlins, then 100% of the blame has to be put on your suspension tuner.

Ohlins is the most popular and winning-est suspension in the world, at every level...even on ATV's.

The issue can't be with the suspension components (assuming you have high quality components). Perhaps you need different spring rates, or valving, or fluid viscosity, or more/less fluid, or your geometry optimized.

I have tried several different suspension brands, and always go back to Ohlins.

That's great and I'm glad you are getting good results and glad your sold on Ohlins .Thanks for the tips . I didn't say it was bad all I said Im not convinced and I also know I can get better results with more work .

I'm just trying a different set up on a new bike .

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