2016 Panigale S Throttle issue

DLIT said:

Class A troll job?

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nanoplastic said:

I picked up a 2016 Panigale 1299 S a few weeks ago and finally had a chance to ride it on Sunday (I work 6 days a week and weather hasn't been all that great lately), and put about 40 miles on it.

Today I am sitting here contemplating on selling the stupid bike. And here is the reason why. While riding on the street like a normal human being, the bike simply doesn't work. Every turn I make on the street is a gamble with my life on this thing. Its nearly impossible to modulate the god damn throttle to make the POS turn smoothly without it bucking or surging, even in WET MODE with all the electronic aids turned on! What is the point of riding a bike that has such a huge learning curve and high risk factor? Sure, if you're a dare devil or an adrenaline junky, the story might be different. But I am not willing to take that kind of risk with my life. And having paid close to thirty thousand dollars for this ....... garbage, using it only for track seems like a huge waste, because I paid a hefty premium for those ridiculously unusable headlights, turn signals and mirrors. In every aspect, this bike is nothing more than a showoff piece.

Some people say this bike is an "angry machine". Well, currently I am angrier than it, because I bought into the hype. Last time I rode a Ducati was when they came out with 1198 with a big hype surrounding it just like they do with all of their new bikes. When I test rode it, I absolutely hated it. I just don't understand their logic and their concept of making gazillion ft.lbs of torque at low rpm range which cannot be predictably controlled. Ducati chose the wrong path with their engine concept. To me, it was a ...... up design from the start and they were stuck with it. So they had to patch it up as much as they possible could, wrap it up in pretty plastic covers and had their marketing team go to work.

And so many years later, they still carry on their stupid concept. It doesn't matter riders couldn't handle 60ft.lb of torque 5 years ago, ducati is going to make a 100ft.lb torque machine where riders only used 5% of its power on the pavement they ride 90% of the time. And they didn't care that the 80% of its power could not be properly managed on the street, because its a "race bike", "you have to be angry to ride it" (are you ....... promoting road rage?), "just ride it faster" (and kill yourself)?, get an aftermarket ECU modulator (which may not work) and pay another grand on top of what you already paid for the "most advanced bike in the world?" c'mon! Give me a break!

Ducatis arrogance is appalling. Their attitude is simply irresponsible and it clearly shows that Ducati as a company does not care about the safety of its consumers, but rather consider their customers to be a bunch of ....... with a death wish who will eventually Darwin themselves out using the crude tools they've provided.

I foresee that Ducati will dump their engine design in the near future, because as I have mentioned, they were stuck with a ...... up design by hiring a monkey for their engineer, and soon move on to a completely different design or follow suit with other manufactures and admit their flaws.

I had a 2011 BMW S1000rr and by comparison, its a far better bike than the Panigale.

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DLIT said:

Class A troll job?

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ttkarp said:

You've put an average of 50,000 miles on 30 bikes?

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nanoplastic said:

I picked up a 2016 Panigale 1299 S a few weeks ago and finally had a chance to ride it on Sunday (I work 6 days a week and weather hasn't been all that great lately), and put about 40 miles on it.

Today I am sitting here contemplating on selling the stupid bike. And here is the reason why. While riding on the street like a normal human being, the bike simply doesn't work. Every turn I make on the street is a gamble with my life on this thing. Its nearly impossible to modulate the god damn throttle to make the POS turn smoothly without it bucking or surging, even in WET MODE with all the electronic aids turned on! What is the point of riding a bike that has such a huge learning curve and high risk factor? Sure, if you're a dare devil or an adrenaline junky, the story might be different. But I am not willing to take that kind of risk with my life. And having paid close to thirty thousand dollars for this ....... garbage, using it only for track seems like a huge waste, because I paid a hefty premium for those ridiculously unusable headlights, turn signals and mirrors. In every aspect, this bike is nothing more than a showoff piece.

Some people say this bike is an "angry machine". Well, currently I am angrier than it, because I bought into the hype. Last time I rode a Ducati was when they came out with 1198 with a big hype surrounding it just like they do with all of their new bikes. When I test rode it, I absolutely hated it. I just don't understand their logic and their concept of making gazillion ft.lbs of torque at low rpm range which cannot be predictably controlled. Ducati chose the wrong path with their engine concept. To me, it was a ...... up design from the start and they were stuck with it. So they had to patch it up as much as they possible could, wrap it up in pretty plastic covers and had their marketing team go to work.

And so many years later, they still carry on their stupid concept. It doesn't matter riders couldn't handle 60ft.lb of torque 5 years ago, ducati is going to make a 100ft.lb torque machine where riders only used 5% of its power on the pavement they ride 90% of the time. And they didn't care that the 80% of its power could not be properly managed on the street, because its a "race bike", "you have to be angry to ride it" (are you ....... promoting road rage?), "just ride it faster" (and kill yourself)?, get an aftermarket ECU modulator (which may not work) and pay another grand on top of what you already paid for the "most advanced bike in the world?" c'mon! Give me a break!

Ducatis arrogance is appalling. Their attitude is simply irresponsible and it clearly shows that Ducati as a company does not care about the safety of its consumers, but rather consider their customers to be a bunch of ....... with a death wish who will eventually Darwin themselves out using the crude tools they've provided.

I foresee that Ducati will dump their engine design in the near future, because as I have mentioned, they were stuck with a ...... up design by hiring a monkey for their engineer, and soon move on to a completely different design or follow suit with other manufactures and admit their flaws.

I had a 2011 BMW S1000rr and by comparison, its a far better bike than the Panigale.

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Veteran said:

You don't mention the heat on the legs ? Now there is a issue that is real. The throttle is same as most powerful twins. That's the character. But to call it unsafe ? And you clearly have saddle time ? Maybe yours is just a dud . Go test the demo again and compare .

Fwiw, I tested a 1190r ktm .Felt real good. After buying a new one, I found the gearbox engagement abrupt when going into gear. The heat from engine excessive.Went back and tested the demo again, same thing. I had missed it. A bit of homework, a good clutch bleed and it's better. Some extra heat shield s and less heat. Not gone , just better.

All said and done it's still suits me better than the GSA LC I owned for 8 months. And that had no issues, other than being boring and wide as a truck.

So here's the thing. And I hear your frustration. Is your 1299 faulty ? If not, do the good outweigh the bad ? Can you live with the flaws ?
Only you can answer these things.
Good luck.

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Chefmark said:

Base on your past experiences and vast knowledge of the brand why would you have ever have test rode a 1299S let alone purchase one? I'll take it off of your hands tomorrow so you can enter the new year a happy man.

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