2016 Panigale S Throttle issue

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So why won't Ducati fess up to that instead of pretending there isn't a problem?

So you're saying that if Ducati comes out and says "Due to American environmental regulations we're forced to ship a sub-optimal fuel map on some of our motorcycles." that's going to give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

I wonder if the R1 and ZX-10R owners have complained as much about their detuned bikes as some Panigale owners do. Have the thing retuned. It's not that difficult.
 
The only thing I could suggest is read my posts over and over until you can make sense out of it. Its really not that difficult.


I think most people have read quite enough of your posts (frankly they should not have to wade their way through them like some sort of literary treacle, if you had been able to convey your gripes in an articulate fashion to start with). I've owned many Ducatis over the years and I don't think any had the sort of throttle response you seem to crave (need). All required some adaptation of your own technique, some required slipping the clutch or modulating the throttle to mitigate low rpm roughness. Trust me, the current incarnation of bikes coming out of Bologna are leagues ahead of what used to be accepted as the norm from a big high compression V-Twin. That is for you, I fear, the rub. These engines are NEVER going to behave with the silky smooth response you seem to believe they ought to have engineered into them, as one might expect from an IL4. If you truly believe they are at fault as a company for not being able to emulate the same characteristics, you are quite honestly somewhat deluded. More to the point, the fact that you could not assess this from your initial test-ride, and that no-one else on this forum seems to exhibit the difficulties you cite, speaks volumes. In your shoes, I would return to the safety of more familiar ground, if this sort of engine behaviour is so clearly at odds with your senses.
 
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So you're saying that if Ducati comes out and says "Due to American environmental regulations we're forced to ship a sub-optimal fuel map on some of our motorcycles." that's going to give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

I wonder if the R1 and ZX-10R owners have complained as much about their detuned bikes as some Panigale owners do. Have the thing retuned. It's not that difficult.

it is commonly known that the USA ninjas come with a different ECU with less power - better emissions.
 
it is commonly known that the USA ninjas come with a different ECU with less power - better emissions.

I know.

I'd also say it's commonly known (at least if you spend any time here) that buying a Panigale means getting rid of the evap canister and getting some sort of tune/fueling solution and yet we have guys that just can't get past the fact that they don't run optimally out of the crate. So I wondered out loud whether two other superbikes that don't work optimally out of the crate get the same sort of grief about it.
 
Due to emissions laws, they can't come the way we want from the factory. A quick reflash is all that's needed. I don't know why more people don't understand this.

Be careful on the REFLASH of the ECU..

I had my ECU reflashed by the dealer to try to fix my problems and when the Factory rep found out he told them they had VOIDED my warranty... They had to purchase me a new ECU.They told me that they will no longer reflash anyone's ECU(unless they sign a form stating that they are not liable).

Based on what I have experienced, the factory rep looks for ANYTHING to get out of covering or dealing with the throttle issues.. According to what I have been told by the dealer, if you alter anything aftermarket on the bike (engine, exhaust or electronic wise) with anything other than Ducati approved items you void the warranty. MY dealer found out the hard way.. They had to fork over $1500 for a new ECU..

Maybe others had not experienced that but it happened to my dealer.. They have really tried to get the bike running right for me but they are at the mercy of the limitations imposed by the factory.

I guess everyone has a different experience depending on the bike they ended up with.. I wasn't so lucky.. **By the way,, I purchased the Akropovic exhaust with the so called "up Map" also and l also added the Sprint hi flow filter and it made no discernable difference on the low end throttle issues and certainly not on the stalling issues which happen virtually EVERY TIME I ride. It is actually getting worse.. I will be taking the canister off this weekend but don't think it will make much difference. I now have over $30 K invested in this bike and to tell the truth I don't feel confident in it and worry about it dying on me in the middle of traffic etc..

Speedy
 
Speedy....

There is a way to address an issue or bring it to light so that other members may also be aware of certain issues in case they experience similar problems. While you may have had some serious problems with your bike, your approach hasn't been the best. You must have also missed the first post and the bashing of Ducati as a brand. Hell, you've even talked .... about Ducati and how Japanese bikes are problem free and how your zx10 is blah blah blah. Don't contradict yourself.

Ya know, for a man of your age, you sure do deal with forums discussions in a very juvenile way at times. No one made me king of any forums nor do I pretend to be one but you don't seem to get the point of a forum so let me try n clarify it for you so that maybe....just maybe it might make some sense to you.

While you have the right to bash a manufacturer or talk about how much better one manufacturer is over the next just because you paid a premium for a bike but received a less than satisfying bike or you feel like you should get a premium result in a bike, it doesn't fix ..... You're experiencing problems and the dealer hasn't helped resolve your issues? Bring it to light on the forums. Even if no one else has a fix for it, when someone finally does, they just might post it so that the next person will know what to do if they encounter the same. This forum is full of great info. We are super lucky to have members who have dropped boatloads of money into their bikes modifying things and/or repairing bikes after a wreck and sharing some valuable info along the way. More importantly, the leniency in forum moderation here makes this place a pleasant place for people to visit, even if it's just a place for them to visit to make their day go by at work or wherever. When some folks continue to bash a bike or a brand over n over, .... gets old and is counterproductive.

Nobody is tryin to convince you of dealing with the "Ducati character." Whatever the hell that is. I don't give 2 ..... about Ducati as a brand. I had 2 zx6r's and my last bike was a daytona 675 and recently added my cbr next to my 1199. Nobody holds a gun to someones head n tells them deal with it. People choose to deal with the Ducati issues or jump ship. It's really that simple. I get it....you like the bike a lot, or wanna love it cuz it's the best lookin bike out there but if you feel cheated because you had to spend extra money to get the bike to run the way it should have out the factory, then you've got no one else to blame but yourself.

One thing is for certain....if I experienced the exact same issues as you have, my approach wouldn't be anything like yours. Either I deal with it until I find a fix or I get rid of it n buy another bike. I've never test ridden any bike I've owned. I buy bikes based on visual appeal so I don't need best of the best performance out there. All sportbikes are very closely competitive with one another so the variable is usually the rider, not the bike. And I'm a grandma on 2 wheels and proud of it cuz I'm still enjoyin it just as much if not more than some of the fastest guys on here.

Well So you think I am juvenile huh?

Well why don't you just Bite Me!! LOL :D
 
Speedy
Trade it in? You are gonna take a bit of a hit but if you really hate it that bad anything will be better. Or sell out right?
 
Be careful on the REFLASH of the ECU..

I had my ECU reflashed by the dealer to try to fix my problems and when the Factory rep found out he told them they had VOIDED my warranty... They had to purchase me a new ECU.They told me that they will no longer reflash anyone's ECU(unless they sign a form stating that they are not liable).

Based on what I have experienced, the factory rep looks for ANYTHING to get out of covering or dealing with the throttle issues.. According to what I have been told by the dealer, if you alter anything aftermarket on the bike (engine, exhaust or electronic wise) with anything other than Ducati approved items you void the warranty. MY dealer found out the hard way.. They had to fork over $1500 for a new ECU..

Maybe others had not experienced that but it happened to my dealer.. They have really tried to get the bike running right for me but they are at the mercy of the limitations imposed by the factory.

I guess everyone has a different experience depending on the bike they ended up with.. I wasn't so lucky.. **By the way,, I purchased the Akropovic exhaust with the so called "up Map" also and l also added the Sprint hi flow filter and it made no discernable difference on the low end throttle issues and certainly not on the stalling issues which happen virtually EVERY TIME I ride. It is actually getting worse.. I will be taking the canister off this weekend but don't think it will make much difference. I now have over $30 K invested in this bike and to tell the truth I don't feel confident in it and worry about it dying on me in the middle of traffic etc..

Speedy

that is why tuneboy is so great, you can easily remove the tune and reset the ecu back to factory and there is no way for a duc tech to tell. you don't need to cut anything or .... around with anything just a simple plug into your port in the tail and bang tune your ecu
 
only $30K?? Wish I could have stopped myself when I hit that mark, but then again, I'm very glad I didn't every time I ride this thing! :D
 
So you're saying that if Ducati comes out and says "Due to American environmental regulations we're forced to ship a sub-optimal fuel map on some of our motorcycles." that's going to give you a warm fuzzy feeling?

I wonder if the R1 and ZX-10R owners have complained as much about their detuned bikes as some Panigale owners do. Have the thing retuned. It's not that difficult.

I'm in the UK so I'm not affected by US enviro police. I didn't buy an R1 or a Zx10 I bought a Ducati. So what would give me a warm fuzzy feeling is if Ducati came up with a solution when I say there is a problem with the bike. Hell they could even sell a 'Ducati Performance fuel map' if they want - and I'd buy one!

I don't really want to go third party software stuff - Rapidbike/Tuneboy but it looks like I have no choice!
 
Had same stalling issues. Via Tuneboy added about 8% fuel from 0-10% throttle and almost can leave a stop without any throttle input if I so desired. Hasn't stalled on me once versus almost at least once in every ride. Is reasonably priced. Yeah it does suck that some bikes are needing aftermarket engine management tweaks straight out of the emission handcuffed gate but having cruise control is an additional plus.
 
This is like OP buying a Pagani Zonda and complaining that it's not that good of a daily driver.

Stupid thread.
 
I will be taking the canister off this weekend but don't think it will make much difference. I now have over $30 K invested in this bike and to tell the truth I don't feel confident in it and worry about it dying on me in the middle of traffic etc..

Speedy


You will owe me lunch when it does ;)


Umm since when is it not publicly known that our bikes in the USA and some other Countries are neutered due to Emissions????? Buy the bike, remove the evap can, buy a full exhaust and tune module of whatever sort and relish in the psycho hose beast you have just un-leashed on yourself.. I can say after the Evap Can came off it never stalled again, then I did the Full akra on the stock map and its was night and day difference, then after adding the rapidbike this Manic Psychopath I call Bella has turned into a fire breathing lunatic that thrills me to no end..
 
Most if not all the liter bike are coming restricted from the factory. The too tall gearing, flapper and exup valves, $$$ race ecus just to match the European bikes and my favorite - Aprilia's cut a wire to upload the race map. I still have no clue how the Panigale passes the epa sound restrictions. It is what it is. Unfortunately.
 
I guess everyone has a different experience depending on the bike they ended up with.. I wasn't so lucky.. **By the way,, I purchased the Akropovic exhaust with the so called "up Map" also and l also added the Sprint hi flow filter and it made no discernable difference on the low end throttle issues and certainly not on the stalling issues which happen virtually EVERY TIME I ride. It is actually getting worse.. I will be taking the canister off this weekend but don't think it will make much difference. I now have over $30 K invested in this bike and to tell the truth I don't feel confident in it and worry about it dying on me in the middle of traffic etc..

Speedy


I thought the RAPIDBIKE fixed your 'situation' ?
 
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