It is possible to drop the rear swing arm -4mm on a 1199 (not the R) using parts from a 1299? is it worth the hassle?
What parts exactly are needed to do this mod? Do have the part numbers?
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The adjustment varies the length and angle of the swingarm. The length affects the agility/stability while the angle affects traction. Hope this answer your questions.
Joined Jul 2012
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The swingarm pivot adjustment doesn't change the swingarm length at all (unless you also adjust the swingarm length using the eccentric chain adjuster at the same time). It modifies the swingarm angle slightly and more importantly the angle of the upper chain pull relative to the swingarm angle, which affects anti-squat. Most people we've tested with have found better drive grip on corner exits at the -4mm position, and less wheelspin. If the bike is running wide on corner exits, the rear is likely squatting too much, so you'd want to check your rear suspension settings (sag, compressing damping) as well.
Swingarm pivot adjustment will have zero effect on turn-in or corner entry, the entire effect is after the apex when the gas is applied, and it's more prominent the harder the gas is applied. I've found it most noticeable on low-speed corner exits (2nd/3rd gear) with hard acceleration after, such as leading onto a straight. I tested on my 1199 using +2mm and -4mm back-to-back and it was a massive difference in the low-speed corner exit grip. Some riders use body weight shift to alter this balance as well, which is one of the reasons that the effect is not felt the same for everyone, as well as some people have altered their gearing which also changes the same forces. It's a fine balance to achieve, but once you get it right the bike is just easier to ride. Ducati switched to -4mm as the standard position on all Panigales after it became apparent that worked better for most riders.
Swingarm pivot adjustment will have zero effect on turn-in or corner entry, the entire effect is after the apex when the gas is applied, and it's more prominent the harder the gas is applied. I've found it most noticeable on low-speed corner exits (2nd/3rd gear) with hard acceleration after, such as leading onto a straight. I tested on my 1199 using +2mm and -4mm back-to-back and it was a massive difference in the low-speed corner exit grip. Some riders use body weight shift to alter this balance as well, which is one of the reasons that the effect is not felt the same for everyone, as well as some people have altered their gearing which also changes the same forces. It's a fine balance to achieve, but once you get it right the bike is just easier to ride. Ducati switched to -4mm as the standard position on all Panigales after it became apparent that worked better for most riders.
(What Jarel said!)
I started with -4mm but the bike loved to push the front out the corner and wheelie. I am 5'6" so I am locked in place under hard acceleration. After playing around with the pivot adjustment, we settled in at 0 but dealing with a bit more rear wheel spin but this i can deal with.
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I started with -4mm but the bike loved to push the front out the corner and wheelie. I am 5'6" so I am locked in place under hard acceleration. After playing around with the pivot adjustment, we settled in at 0 but dealing with a bit more rear wheel spin but this i can deal with.
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Joined May 2021
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I've figured out the parts that changed in the rear. On the front it looks like the upper and lower frame "bush" however as I was researching the upper and lower bushing changes but it's odd as they kept the same bushing in there for the 1199 and the Panigale R from 2012 up to 2016. The 1299 has a different one starting in 2015 up. If this was what changed the front rake angle why would they change it on the 2015 1299 and not the 2015 R (1199 engine)? The 2015 1199R already has the 4mm lower pivot point in the rear (I confirmed this) but why would they change the rear geometry on that model and not the front if it's the upper and lower bush in the frame that changed the rake angle from 24.5 to 24?
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