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Oldbuck62638 · Dec 27, 2021

I have shocks willing to trade for nice sets of forks

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TomFoolery · Dec 27, 2021

bp_SFV4 said:
The V4R is a race homologation special. I don't get why people want to read more into that then there is. Is the 998cc V4 engine on the V4R a statement on the 1103cc V4 engine? No. Is a brushed aluminum tank clearly a race advantage?

The electronic adjusters are every bit as precise as manual adjustments. The only difference is one is doing it with a motor.

There are two modes, DES Dynamic and DES Fixed. If you are using DES fixed, it is exactly the same as making manual adjustments. If the electronic adjusters offer 32 steps and the conventional clicks adjusters 16, the electronic is a more precise and granular adjustment.

It seems every manufacturer using semi-active suspension comes up with an algorithm for how their system works. If whatever conditions exist, make adjustment A or B etc, The values you change in DES Dynamic Custom is how big of an adjustment or compensation is made. I fully agree the manual needs to be a lot more clear about what exactly is going on. It very much seems like they are trying to explain things without giving away the secret sauce which leaves it all rather vague.

The 2022 Panigale does offer track specific settings, but I highly doubt any tracks from the midwest US are in there, so a neat feature to show the neighbors but probably not very useful.

The CAN bus on the bike is more than capable of keeping up with adjustments. The monkey holding the handlebars is the slowest thing on the bike.

Why isn't ducati using electronic damping on their race bikes? I get the V4R is a homologation special, but if the tech is there, Ducati would be using it on their race bike wouldn't they? My suspension guy (I know everyone has their 'suspension guy' so take it with a grain of salt) swears that DES Fixed is not as precise as manual adjustments. DES in fact offers less range than traditional manual forks/shocks - less stops on the adjustment dial.

My personal experience with the electronic damping is mixed. I expected to drive up, unload the bike, set it to default and hit a PB at the track. Not the case, sadly. However, I have learned that some of my issues are not suspension related, so I cannot definitively diss on the electronic stuff. Hence I started my earlier post with "the complaint goes as follows..." Jury is still out for me one way or another. Keep in mind I don't ride on the street, so I could not speak to how well the electronic stuff does for street cruising.

In other news, I think I am making progress on my setup. Bike is finally starting to talk to me. I will post an update on one of my suspension threads in a few weeks after more seat time.

RODOLFO · Dec 27, 2021

The question is not, if electronic or manual is better

There is a difference between OEM spec OHLINS, which most of the time, is not top shelf stuff, or latter models.

or a new FGRT FORK or a GP SHOCK, which to my understanding is a better more precise kit.

everything focuse on better performance at a higher pace on track

I don’t have much trouble riding on stock showa suspension on the streets.

The question is if those FGRT FORKS AND GP SHOCK will be better on track, or if they are the same as OEM OHLINS suspension

TomFoolery · Dec 27, 2021

RODOLFO said:
The question is not, if electronic or manual is better

There is a difference between OEM spec OHLINS, which most of the time, is not top shelf stuff, or latter models.

or a new FGRT FORK or a GP SHOCK, which to my understanding is a better more precise kit.

everything focuse on better performance at a higher pace on track

I don’t have much trouble riding on stock showa suspension on the streets.

The question is if those FGRT FORKS AND GP SHOCK will be better on track, or if they are the same as OEM OHLINS suspension

Correct, OEM ohlins is not as good as race spec ohlins. Plastic valve body versus aluminum is one example of how OEM ohlins is made to a price point.

miker1 · Dec 27, 2021

I have a 2019 V4s .Hated my electronic suspension. I love my bike since removing it, now its doing exactly what I want it to do. Everyone to his own you don't have to waste your time trying to tell me why I should like it , I didn't

BP PanigaleV4S · Dec 27, 2021

TomFoolery said:
DES Fixed is not as precise as manual adjustments. DES in fact offers less range than traditional manual forks/shocks - less stops on the adjustment dial.

This makes no sense and I don't know where he's getting that idea. DES when switched to DES Fixed has 32 adjustments or clicks, on compression and rebound. It only has less when using DES Dynamic, because you are not effecting the click value per se, but rather how the adjustment is made by the ECU dynamically.

Go to your bike and while its parked and in DES Dynamic, max out the steering damper and turn the bars. Nothing changes, because the bike hasn't applied any dynamic adjustment because you aren't moving. Even at slow speeds I doubt you could tell a difference. Do the same thing with DES Fixed. Huge difference. Max out the steering damper in DES Fixed and see how much stiffer it is.

Why isn't ducati using electronic damping on their race bikes? I get the V4R is a homologation special, but if the tech is there, Ducati would be using it on their race bike wouldn't they?

Because its banned in racing since it would drive up development costs.

The big advantage I see with the electronic suspension is to be able to have a predictable rigid fixed setup for the track and a soft dynamic at first but will stiffen up as the pace increases, setup for the street. All by changing modes on the dash. Its nice also not to have to mess with click adjusters and to look at the dash and know exactly where you are.

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