Adjusted Traction Control Setting when running Dunlop Q3s?

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azimmerlyjr said:
you wont be disappointed. im about to invest in my 3rd rear to the 1 front. front still has half tread...its crazy! it should last easily through my next rear, then i will replace both just for the heck of it even if its still got tread.
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I loved the Q2's despite the slower tip in. Midline stability was sweet, I was able to get on the gas a little quicker then the SP.

Bought Q3's for the 848 and sold them with the bike before I could test.
 
outhouse said:
I loved the Q2's despite the slower tip in. Midline stability was sweet, I was able to get on the gas a little quicker then the SP.

Bought Q3's for the 848 and sold them with the bike before I could test.
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if you look at the tests on youtube, they do a cool comparison...same bike...q2's vs q3's same day and everything...the Q3's blow them away in terms of stability and their ability to make little bumps and cracks in the road feel non existent. they rode the q2's first i believe, then the q3's. the q3's felt noticeably better in all areas to the riders on the track, but then they put the q2's back on and the riders noticed all the things the q3's made them forget about after a few laps...massive difference. i have had 3 different tires on my Pani and these are better than all of them on the street for sure. SC v2, Bridgestone S20, and now the Q3. i only went with the S20 for decent mileage, but it turned out, i only got 500 miles more that the SC and the SC wore perfectly evenly, and the S20 wore really bad in the middle. same exact riding style. very odd. the Q3 has worn very evenly too and gotten better mileage than both. im ordering another rear tomorrow lol! 190/55
 
So, I've got about 200 miles on the Q3's and although it is too early to give a full report on how they run - due to the cool temperatures (16-to-24 C) and the amount of sand still on the local roads - I must say that I am very pleased with the Q3s and running the 195/55 rear tire.
Regarding TC, I reduced the sensitivity by one level in sport mode and wet mode. Sport mode appeared to work very well, although I was not pushing the tires. Wet mode also worked well, although I only tried it on dry pavement while riding through towns with a speed limit of 35 MPH.
In wet mode on dry pavement, TC came on when the bike was heeled over, similar to the activation when using the OEM SC2 tires.
In sport mode, thus far I would summarize by saying that these tires and the TC perform similarly to the OEM tires (with TC setting set to 1 level lower sensitivity). We shall see if further tweaks to the TC are required as the road surface become cleaner, warmer and the tires are pushed a little more.
Nobody should have any concerns when running these tires, while saving piles of $ on the initial cost of the tires compared to OEM rubber. I will report back on wear as I put more miles and experience a broader range of road conditions.
 
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Styler said:
So, I've got about 200 miles on the Q3's and although it is too early to give a full report on how they run - due to the cool temperatures (16-to-24 C) and the amount of sand still on the local roads - I must say that I am very pleased with the Q3s and running the 195/55 rear tire.
Regarding TC, I reduced the sensitivity by one level in sport mode and wet mode. Sport mode appeared to work very well, although I was not pushing the tires. Wet mode also worked well, although I only tried it on dry pavement while riding through towns with a speed limit of 35 MPH.
In wet mode on dry pavement, TC came on when the bike was heeled over, similar to the activation when using the OEM SC2 tires.
In sport mode, thus far I would summarize by saying that these tires and the TC perform similarly to the OEM tires (with TC setting set to 1 level lower sensitivity). We shall see if further tweaks to the TC are required as the road surface become cleaner, warmer and the tires are pushed a little more.
Nobody should have any concerns when running these tires, while saving piles of $ on the initial cost of the tires compared to OEM rubber. I will report back on wear as I put more miles and experience a broader range of road conditions.
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good to know! so, i had a 200/50 Q3 on the rear, just put on my spare OEM V2 while i wait for my 190/55 Q3 to get here today so i could ride over the weekend, and with TC on 5 for both, the difference is crazy. 1st and 2nd gear corner exits were being limited waayyy more than i noticed. i put the V2 on and wow...i was DRIVING out of corners. i didnt even notice how much power was being cut out of low speed corners with the 200/50. now that said, it is a much, much different profile from even the 190/55 Q3 so im excited to put that on and immediately tune the TC to react just like the SC's. not that its being strongly considered, but stay the hell away from the 200/50. not sure why i got that instead of the 190/55 (much closer to OEM) but thats all about to change. TC is very adversely affected with the 200.
 
oh and as far as mileage, i got 1000 miles more out of the Q3 rear compared to the SC V2. (2000/3000). good even wear on both, center and sides. rode the Q3 harder however as i got used to the bike and the TC. it also got much warmer as well so perhaps the Q3 in the same conditions would last even longer. i have had 2 Q3 rears, the 3rd goes on this weekend but this one will be a 190/55 (thank god). the front tire still has 30-40% tread after 6500 miles...i dont understand how thats possible...lol but it is.
 
Running pilot road 3 on back and sport 3 on front, good combination, getting around 5k miles, great tryes for the British type weather.. Knock tc down 2 notches, you still get a little block of light if you are going for it coming out of a corn or, but I feel no movement, so could probably go down another notch.
 
I now have over 1,000 miles of vigorous back-road riding on the Q3s. I am very pleased with their performance and durability. In fact, with the TC dialed back one on sport mode, I cannot tell the difference between the Q3s and the SCs... other than the fact that they are WAY cheaper.
Oh, and by the way, I dialed back the traction control in wet mode by two levels (for riding in traffic or at posted speeds less than 40 MPH); however, I would only dial the TC back one level if I was actually using the wet mode in the wet.
 
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I now have over 1,000 miles of vigorous back-road riding on the Q3s. I am very pleased with their performance and durability. In fact, with the TC dialed back one on sport mode, I cannot tell the difference between the Q3s and the SCs... other than the fact that they are WAY cheaper.
Oh, and by the way, I dialed back the traction control in wet mode by two levels (for riding in traffic or at posted speeds less than 40 MPH); however, I would only dial the TC back one level if I was actually using the wet mode in the wet.
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I had mine on 5 in sport for street riding on the SC's in 195HI and took it down to 3 for the Q3's and it works great.
 
Updated opinion of Q3s

Updated opinion of Q3s. After 600 miles, 1 Deal's Gap trip, and two track days I have mixed feelings. This weekend I went back to the track and lost all confidence of the Q3s. On the second session I was losing the back end consistantly. I backed the DTC off to level 3 dropped a few psi and still wasn't happy. Pushing the bike was a real challenge. The tires were just at their end for track usage, even though the tread was over half life. The front never was a problem though.
I think for the safety of the bike and me of course I'm going to start running race compounds with warmers for the track and V2s for the mountains. This will be a new experience for me moving to track tires and warmers. What's next...plastics...?!!
I don't want to ruin the Q3s for others. But if you are pushing the 1199 hard on the track I wouldn't recommend them. They probably would've been fine for spirited road riding.


gman74 said:
Street/canyon usage, I saw the same intervention with DTC as with the V2s. To be honest, seems a bit over intrusive at times in the mountains. (probably due to the gravel/dirt/etc)

Track usage, very little bit more intervention with DTC. Slow turns and railing it out of the turn had intervention. High speed turns, little to no intervention.

Settings on both conditions were TC 1. (or the lowest setting possible before off)

Overall, love the Q3s for the street and track. I could see that after two track days the tires might become more greasy and DTC intervene more often. Pirelli V2s are the better tire, but for the price, excellent option for the 1199.
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JeffD said:
Bumps causing the wheel(s) to leave the ground and creating the speed discrepancy leading the ECU to believe you are spinning the tire. When I was using the Bazzaz Z-Fi TC unit you could make fine adjustments via the software to turn down TC when you're blasting down the straights and hitting bumps. That system is still one of the best, even though it doesn't use wheel speed sensors. Amar Bazzaz is a genius.
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Was going to start a new thread asking about this, but found this. How many people have tried the Bazzaz TC unit on the 1199, and does it produce a big enough improvement to warrant getting one, instead of just going to a whole new race ECU system?
 
Please don't put street tires on your bike to push hard at the track, that's what race tires are for. If it's a dual-purpose bike, get a 2nd set of wheels with race tires on them for track days and keep the Q3's, etc. for the street. Beyond the novice level on the track, I've seen so many tire-related crashes at track days I can't even begin to count them all. The guys on race tires are upright a lot more than the guys on street rubber, it's not even a close call. The guys with street tires always think they're saving money too, "Oh, I don't want to spend $400 on a set of race tires..." "I'm not a racer, so street tires are fine..." "These awesome new Q-4's grip just like a race tire according to Gixxer Rider magazine...." all preceeding comments followed by the sound of sliding metal and plastic across the track surface, and then a MUCH larger bill than a set of race tires cost. ;)
 
Off for my first track day on the Pani and the Q3s. I may get to a track once a year and thus have switched to the Q3s for my spirited weekend rides. Thanks for the words of warning about the Q3s on the track. I will be cautious.
 
I was at the track last week with a fresh set of Q3s installed. I did not adjust the Traction Control settings and rode in Sport mode. The tires felt really good once scrubbed, but I'm not a pushing it type of guy.

Either way, if you are doing track often... jarelj is absolutely right. Get another set of rims and proper rubber for the track environment.
 
jarelj said:
Please don't put street tires on your bike to push hard at the track, that's what race tires are for. If it's a dual-purpose bike, get a 2nd set of wheels with race tires on them for track days and keep the Q3's, etc. for the street. Beyond the novice level on the track, I've seen so many tire-related crashes at track days I can't even begin to count them all. The guys on race tires are upright a lot more than the guys on street rubber, it's not even a close call. The guys with street tires always think they're saving money too, "Oh, I don't want to spend $400 on a set of race tires..." "I'm not a racer, so street tires are fine..." "These awesome new Q-4's grip just like a race tire according to Gixxer Rider magazine...." all preceeding comments followed by the sound of sliding metal and plastic across the track surface, and then a MUCH larger bill than a set of race tires cost. ;)
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+1 You can burn down a street rear in one trackday, whereas I can get 5+ days out of my Dunlop K449, and probably a whole season out of the front. I buy a set for under $400 at the track, fitted up. I use a cheap set of single-temp tire warmers. Nothing scientific, but I don't have to worry much, and can be up to speed by the end of the first lap out. Much cheaper in the long run to be on the proper setup for the track.
 
jarelj said:
Please don't put street tires on your bike to push hard at the track, that's what race tires are for. If it's a dual-purpose bike, get a 2nd set of wheels with race tires on them for track days and keep the Q3's, etc. for the street. Beyond the novice level on the track, I've seen so many tire-related crashes at track days I can't even begin to count them all. The guys on race tires are upright a lot more than the guys on street rubber, it's not even a close call. The guys with street tires always think they're saving money too, "Oh, I don't want to spend $400 on a set of race tires..." "I'm not a racer, so street tires are fine..." "These awesome new Q-4's grip just like a race tire according to Gixxer Rider magazine...." all preceeding comments followed by the sound of sliding metal and plastic across the track surface, and then a MUCH larger bill than a set of race tires cost. ;)
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RIGHT ON JAREL!!!!! You cant go wrong having traction in the bank.If you "aren't fast enough to need race tires" then a set will last a long time, and while you learn, riding beyond the tire's traction will not be a concern.
 
I hear ya Jarel and Brett. Up until this last track day I didn't think I was worthy of race compounds and tire warmers. I've been keeping up with the slower advanced guys so I guess it's time.
 
gman74 said:
I hear ya Jarel and Brett. Up until this last track day I didn't think I was worthy of race compounds and tire warmers. I've been keeping up with the slower advanced guys so I guess it's time.
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It's time! ;)
 
I ride street only, fairly aggressively when out in the boonies, I'm buying my first set of Q3's very soon, and I intend to switch DTC off completely, I never had it on my ZX10R's, and I find it just a hinderance/fancy toy that just gets in my way.
 
Styler said:
What tire pressures (Front/Rear) are people running the Q3s at for track days?
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I had good grip and wear with 32/30 cold. I dropped to 30/30 hot as some advice I followed from a track friend. That was too low for me. Felt like a bouncing ball around the track. I moved up a few psi after.
 

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