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Its like this.

Base. Not ready
S, sorta ready
R, ready...

;)

I found the base actually more track ready than the other two other than not having a decent steering damper it felt better out the box .
The R in standard form felt loose and would like to "wollow" compared to the base . I have since swapped out the suspension in the R to get it more track ready .
 
I found the base actually more track ready than the other two other than not having a decent steering damper it felt better out the box .
The R in standard form felt loose and would like to "wollow" compared to the base . I have since swapped out the suspension in the R to get it more track ready .

It takes about 3 track days to lock in the suspension and I'm a rookie.
 
lol. Your right you are .

I'm not the one arguing ridiculously that the base suspension is somehow better on the track when it isn't. It might be more forgiving but it isn't better. And ripping out your entire setup on a brand new bike is dumb unless you are a pro racer. So is ripping out a setup before even trying to find its best settings for your style.

Its pretty laughable since any one with half a brain doesn't take a literally out of the crate bike to the track. You set sag and then move on to rebound and compression damping. The R stock settings aren't even close to what I use.
 
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I'm not the one arguing ridiculously that the base suspension is somehow better on the track when it isn't. It might be more forgiving but it isn't better. And ripping out your entire setup on a brand new bike is dumb unless you are a pro racer. So is ripping out a setup before even trying to find its best settings for your style.

Its pretty laughable since any one with half a brain doesn't take a literally out of the crate bike to the track. You set sag and then move on to rebound and compression damping. The R stock settings aren't even close to what I use.

Thanks for tips . :)
 
The tires on the Press bikes were SC2s, not SPs, so it should be pretty easy to tell if they'd been swapped. That and all the tire boogers, that is. And some of the bikes got new tires at lunch, too....
 
This is sorta ready?


That's me two days ago.

You've already admitted you're a rookie. You really are digging yourself a hole arguing with wilkson. Do it for a few more years and enter a few local races where you don't finish outside the top 5, then you might have something to contribute about which bike can and can't do what on track, as well as how to go about setting one up for said use.
 
You've already admitted you're a rookie. You really are digging yourself a hole arguing with wilkson. Do it for a few more years and enter a few local races where you don't finish outside the top 5, then you might have something to contribute about which bike can and can't do what on track, as well as how to go about setting one up for said use.

Why? He's offered nothing constructive and honestly foolish advice unless your game for tearing apart your brand new bike which 99.9% of owners aren't willing to do. He's obviously arguing from his stand point of a seasoned racer which wasn't the argument I was making in the first place, then he throws out a red herring about the base being a better track bike out of the box which is a falacy he just meant without any setup and really that's not a good idea to run a raw bike on the track.

I'm not going to bow down to smartass half truth posts just bc he's tracked longer than me.
 
gatti - some just don't like the electronic suspension.. . The base unit suspension isn't that bad, and the ohlins are good but not huge. . . Some prefer the ability to dial the suspension the way they are used to. And it doesn't take some three days to do as they know exactly what they are looking for (or feeling for). I'd say the S (or R) is an improvement over the base - but most hardcore/race people go toward the base because they can rip it out and replace with what they want. The disadvantage with the S is that nothing else is different and you're losing more value in exactly what you're upgrading. The R has a few extra's that you're getting but you'll still lose in value if you're changing out the suspension/forks/shocks. So, yes, for the hardcore racers - they go from base and build it up to exactly what they want.

I don't know wilkson, but I know that username has been around for awhile on this board and the other Ducati boards. And while he might not be that helpful here, he generally does know what he's talking about.
 
I found the base actually more track ready than the other two other than not having a decent steering damper it felt better out the box .
The R in standard form felt loose and would like to "wollow" compared to the base . I have since swapped out the suspension in the R to get it more track ready .

+1
 
Why? He's offered nothing constructive and honestly foolish advice unless your game for tearing apart your brand new bike which 99.9% of owners aren't willing to do. He's obviously arguing from his stand point of a seasoned racer which wasn't the argument I was making in the first place, then he throws out a red herring about the base being a better track bike out of the box which is a falacy he just meant without any setup and really that's not a good idea to run a raw bike on the track.

I'm not going to bow down to smartass half truth posts just bc he's tracked longer than me.

Im not suggesting anyone tear there bike apart other than me . I used both bikes in anger in standard form and giving my opinion .
Let me know of your experience with the base bike ?
 
gatti - some just don't like the electronic suspension.. . The base unit suspension isn't that bad, and the ohlins are good but not huge. . . Some prefer the ability to dial the suspension the way they are used to. And it doesn't take some three days to do as they know exactly what they are looking for (or feeling for). I'd say the S (or R) is an improvement over the base - but most hardcore/race people go toward the base because they can rip it out and replace with what they want. The disadvantage with the S is that nothing else is different and you're losing more value in exactly what you're upgrading. The R has a few extra's that you're getting but you'll still lose in value if you're changing out the suspension/forks/shocks. So, yes, for the hardcore racers - they go from base and build it up to exactly what they want.

I don't know wilkson, but I know that username has been around for awhile on this board and the other Ducati boards. And while he might not be that helpful here, he generally does know what he's talking about.

The only reason I swapped out the base bike for the R was for the motor .
I was going to pull down the base motor and fit new conrods and balance the crank lighter flywheel etc ( once again just for me )not that everyone needs to do this .
It was more cost effective to buy the R in my case
 
When the Panigale-R was unveiled to the motorcycle journalists at COTA a few weeks ago, Ducati brought about 24 Panigale-R's to the event, so the writers could ride the bike and formulate opinions on the new iteration and write about it in their respective magazines or blogs.

I have the opportunity to get my hands on one of these demos (it actually still has a "2" on the inner fairing for the press corps) for a substantial savings. (about $4K off of retail) My question is, and I know it's going to be a biased-answer coming from the Panigale forum, but do you think it's a wise decision to buy a bike that you KNOW has had the snot run out of it on the track, instead of a proper breakin? Since the bike is still untitled, it will qualify as a new bike with a full warranty, and the dealer I'm speaking with also says it qualifies for an extended warranty (additional cost to me) through Ducati.

What sayeth the beeb here? Would you pull the trigger or pass? I can also find a brand-new Panigale-R for about $2500 off retail, so it's not a big savings over a new one, but it's still about a $1500 difference. Oh, and the demo in question has about 450 miles on it, and has one small scratch on the upper edge of the right side fairing where your knee tucks in, nothing serious, but it is noticeable. What do you guys think? New, or demo? Both will come with the full standard Ducati warranty.

SInce you can find a Brand new R that is 2,500 off the retail price, the 4,000$ discount plus the scratch does not sound a good deal at all. ask for another 1,000$ and if the dealer says yes, then get it. if no, then get the new one
 
gatti - some just don't like the electronic suspension.. . The base unit suspension isn't that bad, and the ohlins are good but not huge. . . Some prefer the ability to dial the suspension the way they are used to. And it doesn't take some three days to do as they know exactly what they are looking for (or feeling for). I'd say the S (or R) is an improvement over the base - but most hardcore/race people go toward the base because they can rip it out and replace with what they want. The disadvantage with the S is that nothing else is different and you're losing more value in exactly what you're upgrading. The R has a few extra's that you're getting but you'll still lose in value if you're changing out the suspension/forks/shocks. So, yes, for the hardcore racers - they go from base and build it up to exactly what they want.

I don't know wilkson, but I know that username has been around for awhile on this board and the other Ducati boards. And while he might not be that helpful here, he generally does know what he's talking about.

Thank you Anthem, reason rings true.
 
funny... cause I got one of the demos too. 70mi on it about $1200 off the price
 
I found the base actually more track ready than the other two other than not having a decent steering damper it felt better out the box .
The R in standard form felt loose and would like to "wollow" compared to the base . I have since swapped out the suspension in the R to get it more track ready .

The wink was to indicate some "humor".
 
For a $1,500....go for a brand new "R".

You get "Piece of Mind" owning a new bike - that hasnt been thrashed under break-in miles
You get a Brand new bike being the first owner - love that feeling and new bike smell.
No Scratches- something worth paying for, for a pristine bike...

Verdict:
No brainer deal here - Go for Brand new being $1,500 difference!!!!!

I would!
 
Actually, I'd prefer a press bike over a stock one. Reason? If Ducati is like most other manufacturers, they make damn sure that the press fleet bikes are PERFECT out of the factory, if not ringers (maybe some even have a few special parts?).

I didn't think of this, but it makes a lot of sense to me.
 

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