Any news on the 2025 V4 Tricolore ?

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They added $9000 in retail priced parts and livery and added $29,000 to the price tag…note that’s retail price, that livery and rotors and wheels probably cost them $3000….they they made a bike for idiots who go “uuuuh shiny, that they are adding $26,000 in net profit on.

The net profit ADDED to this bike is more than the cost of a full kitted HRC Race Bike, with a better chassis and full Superstock Race Electronics.

I think your math is off a bit. MSRP for '25 V4S is $33,895. The Speciale has north of $15K in accessories on it, not taking in consideration the new Brembo T-Drives. With the rotors, that takes you north of $50K. Add a few grand for the livery (which they nailed IMO). After it's all said and done, that's not such a drastic mark up for a bike that will certainly have strong resale value years from now.

I get it, $58K is nothing to sneeze at, but the audience who is purchasing and riding (or collecting) this bike isn't the same as someone considering a kitted Honda race bike.

I have several clients who are buying this bike, just like I have clients who are having us build them '25 V4 Standard models and kitting them out. Buy whatever makes YOU happy. Steven, I'm not on here often, so I apologize I don't know you. I'm not really directing my reply towards you personally, just stating my opinion in general.

I'm stoked that a OEM continues to produce gorgeous machines that continue to push the envelope from a technological standpoint. If they can be successful in their execution of a high dollar, unique bike, I applaud them.
 
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I think your math is off a bit. MSRP for '25 V4S is $33,895. The Speciale has north of $15K in accessories on it, not taking in consideration the new Brembo T-Drives. With the rotors, that takes you north of $50K. Add a few grand for the livery (which they nailed IMO). After it's all said and done, that's not such a drastic mark up for a bike that will certainly have strong resale value years from now.

I get it, $58K is nothing to sneeze at, but the audience who is purchasing and riding (or collecting) this bike isn't the same as someone considering a kitted Honda race bike.

I have several clients who are buying this bike, just like I have clients who are having us build them '25 V4 Standard models and kitting them out. Buy whatever makes YOU happy. Steven, I'm not on here often, so I apologize I don't know you. I'm not really directing my reply towards you personally, just stating my opinion in general.

I'm stoked that a OEM continues to produce gorgeous machines that continue to push the envelope from a technological standpoint. If they can be successful in their execution of a high dollar, unique bike, I applaud them.
Right…but it’s only $15k in upgrades at Ducati’s absurd mark up on parts. $8500 exhaust, $1800 rearsets etc. actual cost on those parts is probably closer to $3500. So the parts themselves have what a 400% markup compared to similar parts for other bikes made by the same manufacturers in the same factories as the parts on the Ducati just because they are sold by Ducati.

Ducati has become Ferrari. Beautiful vehicles that perform REALLY well, but at a price point where you buy it to show off and feel special, not take it too it to the track, because as demonstrated by every Superstock Race Series around the world, Ducati is not producing a bike meant to be run at track or raced, unless you just like chucking away money to show off, because at even the absurdly inflated prices for what you get, your still not getting a bike that’s as fast in track prepped form as other options.

When I bought my 1st Ducati I wanted a Ferrarialot of ‘Ducatista’s will too…this time I want an actual track weapon though.

If I just wanted something REALLY pretty to look at and feel good that I could go really fast if asked to then that Tri-color and the Aprillia Extrema would be tops on my list.
 
...vehicles that perform REALLY well, but at a price point where you buy it to show off and feel special, not take it too it to the track, because as demonstrated by every Superstock Race Series around the world, Ducati is not producing a bike meant to be run at track or raced, unless you just like chucking away money to show off, because at even the absurdly inflated prices for what you get, your still not getting a bike that’s as fast in track prepped form as other options.

so a Panigale should be bought to show off and NOT take it to the track? "Ducati is not producing a bike meant to run at the track or raced?" HUH?????

I've got hundreds of clients who may beg to differ. Every sport bike Ducati produces can be enjoyed at the track. I've won plenty of races on Superstock prepped Ducs, 2 and 4 cylinder. We've also prepped several Superstock Paniagles that have won pro level races as well as expert level club championships. I've podiumed a STK1000 prepped V4R in 90 degree heat at Road Atlanta with no issues. Lap times would have put me in the top 10 in a MA STK1K race there. I have no problem rolling any new bike off of the showroom floor and taking it to a track day. These motorcycles are built for the track.

To get back on the topic of this thread, the new Tricolore is damn sexy! The '25 V4 platform is going to be a ripper on the track. The 2D based Data Logger is next level for a production bike.
 
remember when you had a 120k Ducati V4 916 special edition and you couldn't stop typing that you spent 120k on it?

And….lesson learned….i specifically built what I’m saying Ducati is now…a Ferrari…I wanted a bike that was sexy in every possible way, I wanted it to stir emotions on every level…just sitting in the garage looking at her, cruising through some canyons, and very capable on track despite looking like an expensive tart…it was exactly what I wanted.

But something happened along the way…that Ducati was a gateway drug for a guy with a few bucks to spend to get full on addicted to track. As such, doing 20+ track days a year and thinking I’m going to start racing a bit next fall the Ducati is no longer the bike for me.

It’s an absolutely wonderful bike in every way. And extremely capable at track. Capable enough that DucatiDetroit podiumed on it many times….although it was probably Fireblades that beat him lol

My point is that the audience Ducati is going after with the new bike and its pricing is the same audience that Ferrari goes after…an audience that doesn’t care about cost, in fact the cost is part of the cache, the feeling of exclusivity and specialness. But, despite being a car that with few modifications will perform beyond the skill of all but professional drivers at track 99% of Ferrari buyers would never dream of taking that car to track…and if you are really a track junkie the Ferrari is about the last car you’d think of getting for the track. Again despite it being extremely capable at track. Why, because for a 3rd of the money you can build out a Corvette, BMW, or Porche to be faster than anyone can reasonably turn a Ferrari into a real track weapon.

It’s exactly the same with the Ducati V4S…there is a reason that unless you have a direct pipeline to Ducati Corse you RARELY see Ducatis doing very well in Superstock. Try to actually order ANYTHING from Ducati Corse…IF you can wait to see how many YEARS it takes to get your parts and how much they cost…it’s FYou pricing. Ducati, like Ferrari builds a very good bike, but they don’t want you tuning it or improving it beyond what they want their bike to be.

If you want a very sexy overly expensive bike whose price itself is set to make you feel special buying it, that is fast at track for most people then the Ducati V4S is the right bike for you.

If you want a REAL track weapon with accessible factory race parts and a higher upside on performance then the best bike out there right now, regardless of price, is the 24-25 Fireblade. Oh and by the way you can field a Superstock version that can and DOES win every major Superstock 1000 class everywhere in the world for less than half the cost of a similarly built Ducati.

I’m a Ducati Fan boy, make no mistake…the problem is, there is a BETTER track liter bike out there now that happens to cost half the money. Kinda hard to ignore that, unless you’re a good lil consuming “Ducatista” fan boy who buys the bike solely based on its Brand image and the FEELING of exclusivity associated with its price tag.

The new V4S seems to fall between say a Fireblade which is a true track weapon, and an MV Agusta which is a beautifully sexy Italian sports bike. It’s not as good a track weapon as the Fireblade, and it’s not as sexy as the MV Agusta…it’s right in between with being almost as good as the Fireblade at track, but not quite there…and almost as sexy as an MV Agusta…but not quite there. So as much as I love the Ducati, I think I’d rather buy two bikes that each do what they are meant to do, an MV Agusta as my sexy feel good street bike, and Fireblade as my track only bike.

Just my two cents…we’ll see what the new V4R has to offer….because to be fair, we are comparing a V4S to an HRC Fireblade SP…it’s really not a fair comparison, the V4R is the more fair comparison, but we don’t have a new one of those to compare.

That bike will probably bring me back to Ducati. But until then…the Fireblade is king of the track only liter bike mountain.
 
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But have you bench raced them?!

No need to, look at the standings in nearly every Superstock 1000 class around the world…the only Ducati rider who regularly wins his National Superstock 1000 class is Ducati’s official test rider in Italy, and he has full factory support, which is needed for any Ducati to win at any level. And neither you nor I, nor anyone else here is getting that kind of factory support from Ducati.

A buddy of mine gave a tremendous compliment to Ducati… but it’s a compliment that also shows its limitations. He said you could take that new V4S off the showroom floor with street tires and if you’re quick enough rider, you could set a qualifying time that would get you into a MotoAmerica super stock race, but you’ll never win with it no matter how much money you throw at it without factory support.

In my mind, that’s extremely high praise for that bike while also demonstrating you are going to get what Ducati wants you to have with that bike, nothing more. But to be fair they give you a product that most people won’t want more out of who are interested in that bike at that price point.

That seems to be the fundamental difference between Ducati and Honda. Ducati sells you the bike they want you to have, Honda sells you the bike you want to have.
 
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No need to, look at the standings in nearly every Superstock 1000 class around the world…the only Ducati rider who regularly wins his National Superstock 1000 class is Ducati’s official test rider in Italy, and he has full factory support, which is needed for any Ducati to win at any level. And neither you nor I, nor anyone else here is getting that kind of factory support from Ducati.

A buddy of mine gave a tremendous compliment to Ducati… but it’s a compliment that also shows its limitations. He said you could take that new V4S off the showroom floor with street tires and if you’re quick enough rider, you could set a qualifying time that would get you into a MotoAmerica super stock race, but you’ll never win with it no matter how much money you throw at it without factory support.

In my mind, that’s extremely high praise for that bike while also demonstrating you are going to get what Ducati wants you to have with that bike, nothing more. But to be fair they give you a product that most people won’t want more out of who are interested in that bike at that price point.

That seems to be the fundamental difference between Ducati and Honda. Ducati sells you the bike they want you to have, Honda sells you the bike you want to have.
I think if you were to be able to race these successfully without full support you'd have to understand the software completely and be able to adjust as required or dump dedicated mapping for the track you're on. It's not clear to me what the 2025 software structure is. The earlier maps were grouped by gearsets 1, 2&3, 456. But there's no reason except ECU memory requirements to not do dedicated software for each gear. Then you could map throttle response, EBC etcetera by gear sort of like when you were describing the Honda software accessibility. The Ducati software has grown massively since the original V4 Pani release, more riding modes, more engine power modes so this may have been done with the 2025 release. Daniel would know by now I suspect. With this they could bring the functionality changes into the upper menu's and allow you to "tune" per gear as required. Be pretty complex but totally doable. Not that they'll ever do this (and probably couldn't anyway due to legal and regulatory requirements).
 
I think if you were to be able to race these successfully without full support you'd have to understand the software completely and be able to adjust as required or dump dedicated mapping for the track you're on. It's not clear to me what the 2025 software structure is. The earlier maps were grouped by gearsets 1, 2&3, 456. But there's no reason except ECU memory requirements to not do dedicated software for each gear. Then you could map throttle response, EBC etcetera by gear sort of like when you were describing the Honda software accessibility. The Ducati software has grown massively since the original V4 Pani release, more riding modes, more engine power modes so this may have been done with the 2025 release. Daniel would know by now I suspect. With this they could bring the functionality changes into the upper menu's and allow you to "tune" per gear as required. Be pretty complex but totally doable. Not that they'll ever do this (and probably couldn't anyway due to legal and regulatory requirements).

If HRC can do it Ducati could, and I have a sneaking suspicion that the new V4R will have a much more track focused and adjustable track and racing software…I hope so at least.

I keep thinking that we are comparing the V4S to the HRC Fireblade SP…but it’s a really an unfair comparison…the V4R is a fair comparison so we really have to wait and see what Ducati does with the new V4R.

The V4S is not a race homologation bike. So it actually speaks to how remarkable the V4S is that we are comparing it to the Fireblade SP
 
So nice that are people clever as you are @Steven31371 , who can resist to marketing!
We poor idiots fall every time in their hands!

You don’t like (or can’t buy it)? Simply don’t buy it!
But please respect who is not as clever as you are that simply want to spend money in a new wonderful bike!

Fair enough but I don’t understand your point with this post? Does “respecting” your choice to buy the bike mean I can’t voice my own opinion on it?

As an aside it’s a stunning bike, I’m just laughing at the F-You pricing model. Why would you pay an extra $29,000 to buy that livery and parts setup directly from Ducati when you can get the livery and parts for $9000 on your own. Really you are paying an extra $20,000 for a number stamp on the triple tree. Because the livery and parts that ‘upgrade’ this bike can be had for $10,000 or less in the aftermarket.

Also if I’m seeing these pictures right for $58k you don’t even get the good exhaust???
 

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