Anyone has riden the 2023 S1000RR Or M1000RR?
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I’m curious to hear the thoughts as well
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I have a 23 V4r and a 23 s1000rr m package. What would you like to know?
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As far as pure performance and ability how do they compare.
I've driven the 23 s1000rr of the California Superbike School. They're smooth but engine is like it has a turbo smooth but low torque until 8000rpm, then the power comes on insanely.
My 22 v4s has a much more linear engine and I think it handles better too. Less prone to lifting the front tire and much more stable at high speed.
My 22 v4s has a much more linear engine and I think it handles better too. Less prone to lifting the front tire and much more stable at high speed.
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I have ridden the 22 V4S and have a 23 SFV4S and they make power way better then the 18\21 bikes. I only did a couple of canyon runs no track time on the 22V4S but much improved. The power delivery as you know is very linear and the handling is razor sharp not to mention the looks & sound.
I owned a 23 S1000 M package for a couple of months. The bike has I believe stunning looks and is a great value for how comes or how it can be ordered. The one I had included the carbon wheels and billet package. Again I was only able to do canyon rides ((I do run track days and have been running A group for years just as fyi). The BMW is a nice bike and gets a lot of press but as others may tell you and told me it is very blah to ride. Don’t get me wrong it performs and handles very well, it I is just a very vanilla. The suspension and the seat on the M package will also beat you to death. I thought my 18 Speciale was ruff on the road but the BMW was way worse.
I owned a 23 S1000 M package for a couple of months. The bike has I believe stunning looks and is a great value for how comes or how it can be ordered. The one I had included the carbon wheels and billet package. Again I was only able to do canyon rides ((I do run track days and have been running A group for years just as fyi). The BMW is a nice bike and gets a lot of press but as others may tell you and told me it is very blah to ride. Don’t get me wrong it performs and handles very well, it I is just a very vanilla. The suspension and the seat on the M package will also beat you to death. I thought my 18 Speciale was ruff on the road but the BMW was way worse.
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Stock for stock, the V4r blows the bmw out of the water. Both of my bikes have full akra systems on them but with a tune on the bmw, I’m sure it would be a lot closer in terms of power. The bmw seems to have a dead spot in the power band in 2nd and 3rd gear down low.
Both bikes feel like they have enormous power.
For a street bike, the bmw is better to me because of the creature comforts such as heated grips and cruise control. The power band on the bmw is way more suited to the streets as well. The V4R doesn’t like being lugged around town.
I also personally like the feel of the brakes on the bmw better (feel harder where the Ducati feels mushy). This is completely subjective though as they both brake extremely well and i plan on changing the master cylinder anyway.
The V4r feels like it has more character than the bmw being a v4 vs the i4 of the bmw. I came off an I4 so maybe that’s why I feel that way.
It really depends what you’re trying to use the bike for.
I just had the V4r at road America Tuesday and I can only give the bike high praise. I have not had the bmw on the track yet.
Both are good bikes but the V4r really is meant for the track. You can tell when riding it that it wasn’t meant for the road (not that that was ever claimed).
Both bikes feel like they have enormous power.
For a street bike, the bmw is better to me because of the creature comforts such as heated grips and cruise control. The power band on the bmw is way more suited to the streets as well. The V4R doesn’t like being lugged around town.
I also personally like the feel of the brakes on the bmw better (feel harder where the Ducati feels mushy). This is completely subjective though as they both brake extremely well and i plan on changing the master cylinder anyway.
The V4r feels like it has more character than the bmw being a v4 vs the i4 of the bmw. I came off an I4 so maybe that’s why I feel that way.
It really depends what you’re trying to use the bike for.
I just had the V4r at road America Tuesday and I can only give the bike high praise. I have not had the bmw on the track yet.
Both are good bikes but the V4r really is meant for the track. You can tell when riding it that it wasn’t meant for the road (not that that was ever claimed).
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Can anyone compare the pv4 to the hp4 race?
The Panagali V4S is Very good bike especially with a few key mods. But the HP4 Race is a different level altogether, it might be the greatest publicly sold factory bike ever built. I’ve rode one, my bike with close to 70k in mods is finally approaching an HP4 RACE in terms of feel, by that I mean it’s agility and braking and power and overall feel as a package.
The ONLY reason I don’t switch to riding an HP4 Race even with all the mods and cost of my heavily modified bike is that I’m big (6’3” and 230 pounds) and older (52) and my bike is set up perfectly for me in terms of ergonomics after a year of messing with it.
Without touching a thing on the bike that HP4 Race is the best feeling most dialed in bike I’ve ever rode. My bike is Superleggera weight with the bigger V4S engine and a WSBK exhaust, race air filter, and a tune, so it’s slightly more savage feeling on the power than the HP4 Race, but the HP4 Race is 30 pounds lighter so it’s just about as viscerally fun to ride.
If I were starting over instead of building a $120k Ducati I’d think long and hard about buying two HP4 Race, one as a backup and parts mule because parts are getting hard to source and expensive for them.
2 HP4 Race would cost about as much as I have into my bike lol
A very sexy option is that new Aprilla RSV4 XTrenta that on paper has about the same specs and trim as the HP4 Race, but with a V4 engine.
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Can anyone compare the pv4 to the hp4 race?
Someone wants a hp4 race in its stable
That sound good craig
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Steven if you have 70k in mods + its a 120k bike did you pay 50k for a used v4s?
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The only thing about the Aprilla RSV4 XTrenta is that it’s a very limited production run.
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I probably have closer to 80k in mods at this point counting labor costs, but at least 5k of that is stuff I bought to try and is sitting in my garage, but yeah, with taxes and registration fees etc in California it was close to $50k if I remember right. Maybe $47k?
$120k sounds like a nice round number, so that’s what I’m sticking with lol
I just threw away a FullSix CF rear subframe because there was a crack in the tab where the fuel tank bolts to it that didn’t look like it could reliably be repaired, and I’m not about to pass a faulty part on to someone else
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Can anyone compare the pv4 to the hp4 race?
I have a wsbk spec V4R and a HP4 race they are two completely different bikes, the V4R is an animal where the HP4 is civilised both are great bikes on track but they need to be ridden very differently. I bought a second HP4 race after i rode it for what Steven was referring to, incase it gets crashed as parts are insanely expensive.
If however i had only one bike i could keep it would be the V4R for sure
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Thanks for that insight too.
Are you saying it takes a wsbk level v4 to return the same level of ownership and riding experience as the hp4 race? If you had a v4 that was stock or only mildly modified, would you still take it over the bmw?
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Thanks for that insight too.
Are you saying it takes a wsbk level v4 to return the same level of ownership and riding experience as the hp4 race? If you had a v4 that was stock or only mildly modified, would you still take it over the bmw?
No not at all i also have a relatively STD V4R and again i would keep that over the HP4. The V4 is one of the best looking bikes on the market today and the V4 engine is an engineering masterpiece, it is without a doubt the best production engine ever produced IMO
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And when you take take some weight of the V4, especially rotational mass it turns so damn good too….
Craig to be fair I road the HO4 Race for only a few laps when I was a much more novice rider, for sure Bruce would have put them both through their paces better.
Still though, while the BMW doesn’t have the same same excitement from the engine as the V4, it’s still rips and I am parcel to the feeling of lightness in a bike or car when mixed with some power.
In any case, I could buy one right now but I’m not because I like my bike so much as is, so that says something
I think about it though haha
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Several 200&-2012 Ducati suoerbikes
Then went
2017 Panigale R
2020 S1krr
2021 RSV4 factory
2022 S1krr
No real differences in 2020-2023 S1krr.
I’m now back on a 17’1299s Anniversario and a 23’ V2 racebike. Opinions are subjective, but for me, both the Aprilia and the BMW felt almost heavy when turning. Like they weren’t heavy and then falling into turn the gyro felt heavy and off balance. Best way I can describe it, and the Aprilia felt the widest, but the BMW just felt bigger as well.
I’ve always loved the 1199/1299 and love my V2 racebike. The tanks feel so narrow and the bike just feels light and easy to throw into the turn. So yes, this is a Panigale forum, but for the reason that most of us here have chosen this platform as the better choice of several good options on the market. None of the bikes you can buy today or terrible. Just they all have very different characteristics.
Several 200&-2012 Ducati suoerbikes
Then went
2017 Panigale R
2020 S1krr
2021 RSV4 factory
2022 S1krr
No real differences in 2020-2023 S1krr.
I’m now back on a 17’1299s Anniversario and a 23’ V2 racebike. Opinions are subjective, but for me, both the Aprilia and the BMW felt almost heavy when turning. Like they weren’t heavy and then falling into turn the gyro felt heavy and off balance. Best way I can describe it, and the Aprilia felt the widest, but the BMW just felt bigger as well.
I’ve always loved the 1199/1299 and love my V2 racebike. The tanks feel so narrow and the bike just feels light and easy to throw into the turn. So yes, this is a Panigale forum, but for the reason that most of us here have chosen this platform as the better choice of several good options on the market. None of the bikes you can buy today or terrible. Just they all have very different characteristics.
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