Anyone has riden the 2023 S1000RR Or M1000RR?

MikeR said:

I’ve owned
Several 200&-2012 Ducati suoerbikes
Then went
2017 Panigale R
2020 S1krr
2021 RSV4 factory
2022 S1krr

No real differences in 2020-2023 S1krr.

I’m now back on a 17’1299s Anniversario and a 23’ V2 racebike. Opinions are subjective, but for me, both the Aprilia and the BMW felt almost heavy when turning. Like they weren’t heavy and then falling into turn the gyro felt heavy and off balance. Best way I can describe it, and the Aprilia felt the widest, but the BMW just felt bigger as well.

I’ve always loved the 1199/1299 and love my V2 racebike. The tanks feel so narrow and the bike just feels light and easy to throw into the turn. So yes, this is a Panigale forum, but for the reason that most of us here have chosen this platform as the better choice of several good options on the market. None of the bikes you can buy today or terrible. Just they all have very different characteristics.

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Couldn't agree more, we are spoilt for choice. I just bought a 2023 V2 happy to hear you like it

A BIG part of how a bike feels is how it fits the rider, just like a nice suit or a nice pair of shoes.

How your feet get purchase on the pegs, how your elbows rest on the tank, how your crotch wraps around the tank, sight lines through and beside the windshield etc. A bike that does all of that right will 'feel' better and more natural than a bike that doesn't regardless of engineering or geometry. Two riders swinging a leg over the same bike may come away with completely different opinions of how the bike fits them.

As Bruce said above, the entire point of the V4 is the motor and its brutal (enjoyable) character and power. That is the only reason I still have it. Otherwise, the platform is more work than its worth aka there are easier ways to go as fast.

Steven31371 said:

And when you take take some weight of the V4, especially rotational mass it turns so damn good too….

Craig to be fair I road the HO4 Race for only a few laps when I was a much more novice rider, for sure Bruce would have put them both through their paces better.

Still though, while the BMW doesn’t have the same same excitement from the engine as the V4, it’s still rips and I am parcel to the feeling of lightness in a bike or car when mixed with some power.

In any case, I could buy one right now but I’m not because I like my bike so much as is, so that says something

I think about it though haha

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Me too

TomFoolery said:

A BIG part of how a bike feels is how it fits the rider, just like a nice suit or a nice pair of shoes.

How your feet get purchase on the pegs, how your elbows rest on the tank, how your crotch wraps around the tank, sight lines through and beside the windshield etc. A bike that does all of that right will 'feel' better and more natural than a bike that doesn't regardless of engineering or geometry. Two riders swinging a leg over the same bike may come away with completely different opinions of how the bike fits them.

As Bruce said above, the entire point of the V4 is the motor and its brutal (enjoyable) character and power. That is the only reason I still have it. Otherwise, the platform is more work than its worth aka there are easier ways to go as fast.

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In general I find the BMW tanks easier to hook into with the legs than the V4 when it’s just the tanks with no add ons, but my MonkeyGripps solved that on the V4. However, I find it harder to get my ass and the rest of me out as far off the side of the bike on the BMW tank versus my setup on the V4. The angle of the tank as it tapers backwards just seems to let me slide over less on the BMW’s and still feel like you’re in the sweet spot of hooking into the tank.

I’m a big heavy rider, which comes with a lot of negatives trying to go fast on these bikes, but there is one positive. I can leverage my weight really well by getting it just a few inches further off the side of the bike in corners. I’ve noticed that when I’m tracking at the same corner roll speeds as as a smaller rider they are using more lean angle at the same speeds. Which, as I slowly get faster will allow me to get on the power sooner, and the V4 benefits from being able to use its power earlier.

So for a big rider that’s comfortable getting off the side of the bike a bit I’m convinced the V4 is better overall than the BMW because the V4 will help turn a weakness into a strength regarding rider size if you become a good enough rider to do it.

I haven't ridden the *new* BMW's but I rode a 1000RR last May at Barber. Big feeling bike and I am 6'5" and it was roomy. California Superbike School gave me GP and a thick saddle. I can see why the folks like the bike as it does everything you ask of it and without the energy the Panigale V4 asks for.

However, I wouldn't ever buy one because I feel they are ugly and soulless. The only bike I would own outside of the Ducati would probably be an Aprilla RSV, but they are very small for a tall rider. Perhaps an R1 based on the Cross-Plane engine and power delivery.

Did you do the one day class with them? I was considering going there in a couple of weeks if they still have openings.

JHTmcrider said:

I haven't ridden the *new* BMW's but I rode a 1000RR last May at Barber. Big feeling bike and I am 6'5" and it was roomy. California Superbike School gave me GP and a thick saddle. I can see why the folks like the bike as it does everything you ask of it and without the energy the Panigale V4 asks for.

However, I wouldn't ever buy one because I feel they are ugly and soulless. The only bike I would own outside of the Ducati would probably be an Aprilla RSV, but they are very small for a tall rider. Perhaps an R1 based on the Cross-Plane engine and power delivery.

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Looks like you’re on a mini bike!

^ Hahahaa Yea, I get that comment from time to time Lol

bp_SFV4 said:

Did you do the one day class with them? I was considering going there in a couple of weeks if they still have openings.

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Yea, only the one day class. It was a good time and different than the Yamaha Champ Rider School as well. I would like to go back for another clinic. Barber was incredible, that track is a lot of fun

@jhtdid Cal SBK a few times now. How does the Yamaha CRS compare to it?

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JHTmcrider said:

^ Hahahaa Yea, I get that comment from time to time Lol

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Me too lol

X15b said:

@jhtdid Cal SBK a few times now. How does the Yamaha CRS compare to it?

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Different teaching style and methodology. They both have incredible riders as instructors and they both are great in terms of what you learn. CSS is more incremental I suppose, where the YCRS handles the skills riders bring to the course with a different approach. It seemed the YCRS started with braking theory and traction as well as on off throttle control. CSS started with throttle control fro GP1 and others who had already been to a class got to start on another drill which I think was braking?

Again, I liked each one and would certainly like to continue to progress in development. Funny thing is we had ADV bikes and their riders in both courses. Out there learning and practicing fundamentals. Good stuff.

I’m curious if anyone has riden both a reasonably well setup V4 on track versus a GYTR R1?

Thoughts and impressions?