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Might be a hard question to answer and in the past, the opinion has been split. The difference in price has grown the S is almost $7K more now. If you go based on reviews most have said the bike handles better now and a couple even mentioned that using the dynamic. I do believe that in the case of those reviews the bike had a pre-set for Jerez as a menu option.
 
Desmolvr said:
Might be a hard question to answer and in the past, the opinion has been split. The difference in price has grown the S is almost $7K more now. If you go based on reviews most have said the bike handles better now and a couple even mentioned that using the dynamic. I do believe that in the case of those reviews the bike had a pre-set for Jerez as a menu option.
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yes, for 7k

you Can get a good ser of lightweight wheels 3k

rear Ohlins shock 1.5k

and set of forks 2.5k

Would that be better, performance wise, than off the shelf OEM OHLINS STUFF?
 
I debated this before putting a deposit on an S. I even have the Showa forks w Ohlins NIX30 carts that I could move over (also for trade for stock Showa forks + $1k if anyone is interested). But in the end I ride more on the street than track and the 21 EC 2.0 seemed well sorted for the street. The 2022 gas forks are supposed to be sublime and the +4 mm rear pivot will control the swingarm better.
 
RODOLFO said:
yes, for 7k

you Can get a good ser of lightweight wheels 3k

rear Ohlins shock 1.5k

and set of forks 2.5k

Would that be better, performance wise, than off the shelf OEM OHLINS STUFF?
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Hard to answer IMHO most riders will be able to go faster using the dynamic suspension. The new setup looks pretty trick.

I did get the 2018 Speciale but will say in the past personally I have always done better buying the base and upgrading as you mentioned. Then when selling I put the stock stuff back on and use the upgrades on the next Duc.
 
I've owned a base 1199, a base Streetfighter V4 and now have a Panigale V4S. If I was going to do it all over, I would buy a Ohlins TTX shock, fork cartridges, the right springs for my weight, the Akra full system, SLR tune and a base Panigale V4. I would have all that stuff in my garage when the bike arrived, tear it all apart and start building it right.

The V4S is good for a street bike and I'm sure it will help a weekend warrior (read non-professional) rider go faster. The problem for me with the S is that I still had to do suspension work since the springs were not correct for my weight and what each setting does is a little vague in the manual. I feel like there's some proprietary voodoo in there. I wish there was a class or some non-marketing presentation so I could better understand what everything does. Compression, rebound and preload I got.
 
I'm in the same boat. I guess it all is your personnel choice. Do you like to work on your bike? Are you planning on tracking it? Do you want to ride it stock and then enjoy the difference in feel?
I have thought of just getting the Base V4. But at this point I just want the bike done. The stock trim on the S is perfect for me. Other then basic maintenance I do not plan on working on the bike. If I do any upgrades it will basic stuff (tail tidy, mirror block off, etc). I may do an exhaust slip on but nothing I see out now looks clean enough for me.
The dynamic suspension interests me. The ability for the bike to constantly adjust itself to perfect the conditions seems awesome. The light weight wheels are a plus in my area. Carbon in NY is no bueno! So having the factory reliability is a huge plus. When I go out to ride I want to turn the key and go! My bike is my escape from the world and the time I get on it need not be delayed.

Whatever will make you happiest is what I would say!
Good Luck
Cheers!
 
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panibadboy said:
If you track it, it's a no brainer.

Get a bad stuff and buy good internals. This will be much better than dynamic stuff.
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yes, i track it

and would like to have better stuff than OEM

but i have never bought a shock or forks before

buying doesn’t scare me, installing and setting it up, is what gets me kind of scared

For example Ducati Omaha or Fredy at SUBK tell you what height to set the forks and shock?

or some Guidance?
 
RODOLFO said:
yes, i track it

and would like to have better stuff than OEM

but i have never bought a shock or forks before

buying doesn’t scare me, installing and setting it up, is what gets me kind of scared

For example Ducati Omaha or Fredy at SUBK tell you what height to set the forks and shock?

or some Guidance?
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installing isn’t too much trouble if you have some stands and the right tools.

The biggest thing is If you don’t know what you’re doing or don’t have a good suspension tuner, you can wind up down a rabbit hole even with (and especially with) the more fancy suspension.
 
If you buy standard reach out to Fastbikeinstries.com (David Behrend) and he will get you setup. Then take it to your dealer and have them install them for you.
 
I like being able to save the damping settings in the ECU.

Dynamic is pretty bad for track duty, it feels like riding a wet noodle.

If I was to do it all over again, I would have started with a base. I like being able to adjust damping with the electronic “clickers” but I can’t justify the extra cost for that single benefit
 
I own an S today and if I did it again I without a doubt would get a base model assuming paying MSRP for either.

Sell stock wheels, suspension, and upgrade both.

I like being able to set fixed damping from the dash but having that limits you to the stock forks. Not worth it if you’re a track rat.
 
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I bought 2021 V4 base and added few upgrade like full Termigioni 4UScite Ohlins Fgrt 214,TTX, Rizoma rear sets,Carbon tank cover and wheels from my 1199S who i had and didn’t have to buy.All came to $30k
 
Best suspension and ride precision I ever had was a RSVR RF with manual Ohlins properly sprung and set up (2nd was R9T I went full Ohlins on). Had detailed notes on road/track settings and it was a 10 minute job to switch. The dynamic stuff and change with a button is really nice for street but the electronics still don’t adjust the preload for street vs track front and rear (at least on a BMW) so you still have to make that adjustment manually. No experience on the Ohlins electronic but on BMW it’s a compromise, and I agree with testers and more hard core riders that having balanced fork internals and settings each up symmetrically yields better ride quality than asymmetrical components and settings aka BMW

Per your original question I’d get a leftover or lightly used 2020/21 and make your suggested changes
 
Bottom line is if you’re gonna use the bike on the street and that matters… even a little bit, then get the S because the adjustment spectrum is huge and easy. Unless you’re chasing tenths then obviously custom manual is the way to go (don’t there’s no point [emoji28]).

I have an SFV4 and tbh the ability to set the suspension to custom dynamic and full soft for the street… it’s a luxury. Bike is plush and handles fantastic. I haven’t tried it on track yet but I might in 2 weeks and I’ll see how that fairs.

On another note… I wonder if the electronic suspension can be valved differently and if that has any effect on its programming.

Anyway like I said, if you’re planning to use the bike on the street even a little then the S is worthwhile.


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Alkhater said:
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On another note… I wonder if the electronic suspension can be valved differently and if that has any effect on its programming.

Anyway like I said, if you’re planning to use the bike on the street even a little then the S is worthwhile.


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Yes, the S suspension can be revalved, I have it done on the front and rear. It does improve the adjustability of the electronics some too.

If you’re switching back and forth between track and street you still are likely manually adjust preload anyway, adjusting damping is quicker and easier than doing the preload. Another reason my vote is for base model.
 
brad8266 said:
Yes, the S suspension can be revalved, I have it done on the front and rear. It does improve the adjustability of the electronics some too.

If you’re switching back and forth between track and street you still are likely manually adjust preload anyway, adjusting damping is quicker and easier than doing the preload. Another reason my vote is for base model.
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Good to know but I don’t understand your point about the base being better. If all you have to adjust between track and street is preload then why would the base be better? Adjusting preload is still easy.


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Alkhater said:
Good to know but I don’t understand your point about the base being better. If all you have to adjust between track and street is preload then why would the base be better? Adjusting preload is still easy.


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my point is that you’re already down there fiddling with manually adjusting the preload anyway, to manually adjust damping while you are already there is a very quick and easy extra step. There really isn’t a big benefit to the electricity clickers. Maybe for those that use the dynamic suspension there is benefit, I just don’t ever use that.

Having the electronics leaves you stuck with no fork upgrade options.
 

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