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I’ll say it in another way… as an S owner. If you’ve never owned the S then you don’t know what you’re missing.

I almost got a base because I waited so long for my S to arrive. I was planning to upgrade base suspension. I’m glad I got the S.


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brad8266 said:
my point is that you’re already down there fiddling with manually adjusting the preload anyway, to manually adjust damping while you are already there is a very quick and easy extra step. There really isn’t a big benefit to the electricity clickers. Maybe for those that use the dynamic suspension there is benefit, I just don’t ever use that.

Having the electronics leaves you stuck with no fork upgrade options.
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That’s a good point but as I’m someone with little experience and primarily using a street bike the S still offers me substantial value… the ability to change setup on the fly.


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Alkhater said:
That’s a good point but as I’m someone with little experience and primarily using a street bike the S still offers me substantial value… the ability to change setup on the fly.


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That makes sense if youre only riding street since you’re likely never going to do a fork upgrade.
 
Alkhater said:
If you’re asking the question and can afford it, get the S!


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Most of us can more than afford it. The question is what are you gonna use the bike for and how much do you potentially see the need to replace the suspension? Unless you’re ready to keep the stock electronic suspension permanently and will never have the idea to upgrade then the S isn’t the right move.
 
Right now I have a 19 V4S

i don’t like to change much the suspension settings from street to track,

my local track, has its fair amount of bumps.


what i want to know is if an AFTERMARKET fork and shock

will give me better performance on track,

or is the S suspension very capable
 
Alkhater said:
Ok… why let the question linger?

The S is as upgradeable as the base.


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Because you’d be paying the extra money for something you may not even use. Not to mention you have to buy terminators for the DES if you remove the electronic forks and shock.

If you have any inkling that you want to seriously track or get into racing don’t buy a model with electronic suspension. All you’ll be doing is wasting your cash if down the road you can’t use the feature anyway.
 
RODOLFO said:
Right now I have a 19 V4S

i don’t like to change much the suspension settings from street to track,

my local track, has its fair amount of bumps.


what i want to know is if an AFTERMARKET fork and shock

will give me better performance on track,

or is the S suspension very capable
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I guess you have to define very capable. Yeah it’s plenty capable to lay down fast lap times but let’s be honest it isn’t a mid to top end fork/shock.
 
RODOLFO said:
Right now I have a 19 V4S

i don’t like to change much the suspension settings from street to track,

my local track, has its fair amount of bumps.


what i want to know is if an AFTERMARKET fork and shock

will give me better performance on track,

or is the S suspension very capable
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Again hard question to answer since no one has ridden the bike yet. Owning a first model S and having lots of experience with upgrading base models. I would say buy the base and upgrade the suspension with RT forks & GP shock. When I had that setup all I would do for the street is take a couple of clicks out for the street. Unless you are a top-level racer you will likely not be playing with additional changes going from street to track.
 
My entire bike changes from street to track. My track setup is not comfortable for a prolonged day on the street.



convert back to street:
1. Adjust clip ons from 10 degrees back to 6 degree offset
2. Sweep clip ons back a little bit
3. Move rear sets down and forward (adjusting QS goes with this)
4. Move fork tops flush with triple clamp
5. Remove preload from the rear. My track preload makes for backbreaking rides on the street.
6. If I’m feeling motivated I’ll remove rear ride height a few threads too.
7. Tire swap
8.Adjust damping slightly

Im not anywhere close to top level racer.
 
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Desmolvr said:
Again hard question to answer since no one has ridden the bike yet. Owning a first model S and having lots of experience with upgrading base models. I would say buy the base and upgrade the suspension with RT forks & GP shock. When I had that setup all I would do for the street is take a couple of clicks out for the street. Unless you are a top-level racer you will likely not be playing with additional changes going from street to track.
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thanks man

that is what I am thinking

all I change is 2 or 3 clicks of compresión on the front from track to street, so that is not much trouble
 
I got a S model this time around because I always wanted to see what it was about. That being said I'm over it. I'm sure the dynamic stuff when setup properly has the potential to be better than a fixed setup, but there's not enough information about what all the settings do.
 
brad8266 said:
I guess you have to define very capable. Yeah it’s plenty capable to lay down fast lap times but let’s be honest it isn’t a mid to top end fork/shock.
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I'd say the current V4S NIX30 fork is certainly a mid-level fork, it just isn't valved correctly for the track from the factory. I'm planning to have mine revalved over the winter as right now I'm running the oil level high as a bandaid.

The pressurized NPX 25/30 forks on the 22 V4S are at least another step above the NIX30. I'm curious if the new fork stepper motor is compatible with the old bikes. 2022 V4S takeoff forks from an owner that doesn't want them could be a good upgrade for the earlier bikes that want to keep the electronic suspension.
 
wortdog said:
I'd say the current V4S NIX30 fork is certainly a mid-level fork, it just isn't valved correctly for the track from the factory. I'm planning to have mine revalved over the winter as right now I'm running the oil level high as a bandaid.

The pressurized NPX 25/30 forks on the 22 V4S are at least another step above the NIX30. I'm curious if the new fork stepper motor is compatible with the old bikes. 2022 V4S takeoff forks from an owner that doesn't want them could be a good upgrade for the earlier bikes that want to keep the electronic suspension.
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Yup, had mine revalved and made a world of difference, it’s a decent track bike now. Prior to revalve the suspension was getting in my way. Still dollar for dollar, getting a base and springing for some FGR forks is the better bet.
 
brad8266 said:
Yup, had mine revalved and made a world of difference, it’s a decent track bike now. Prior to revalve the suspension was getting in my way. Still dollar for dollar, getting a base and springing for some FGR forks is the better bet.
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like the $10,000 forks that Sylvain Guintoli put on his GSXR? typically how much does someone charge to install those?
 

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