Base 2022 V4 or 2022 V4S

Paul G said:

This is old but excellent, nothing is new under the sun!

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thanks man

those videos are great

you just put me on the edge, of buying the BASE and some nice suspension parts

and enjoy myself setting them up

I pondered on this as well. This will be a track only bike so I just ordered a 22 V4 base From Ducati Austin.
If I were to ride this bike on the street, and then do some track days, I think the decision would definitely be tough.
That being said, I think there is more value getting the aftermarket Ohlins stuff and carbon wheels for not too much more.



Ohlins R&T black edition- Those billet fork bottoms are just beautiful and the Rear shock $3800
Carbon wheels $4000

Frankones said:

I pondered on this as well. This will be a track only bike so I just ordered a 22 V4 base From Ducati Austin.
If I were to ride this bike on the street, and then do some track days, I think the decision would definitely be tough.
That being said, I think there is more value getting the aftermarket Ohlins stuff and carbon wheels for not too much more.



Ohlins R&T black edition- Those billet fork bottoms are just beautiful and the Rear shock $3800
Carbon wheels $4000

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Hit up cycler here for a deal on some wheels, don’t pay 4K…

rac1ngsnak3 said:

They don’t ride the base model because the Showa forks and Sachs shock are significantly inadequate for track riding let alone road riding.

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I have no doubt you believe that but it's hilarious. Michael Rutter actually went quicker back in 2019 on the base V4 when he tested the base and S on track (he said the Ohlins was too soft). People seriously overestimate how fast they are going on the road when most are just straight line squid lords. Ian Hutchinson posted a 130mph plus lap of the TT on a superstock 2010 Fireblade. I'm sure this bike is too slow for the road for most people who think they need Ohlins to flap about the place.
Whatever about being more comfortable and getting a better set up, don't mistake this for thinking you are outperforming it on the road.

batmantis said:

I have no doubt you believe that but it's hilarious. Michael Rutter actually went quicker back in 2019 on the base V4 when he tested the base and S on track (he said the Ohlins was too soft). People seriously overestimate how fast they are going on the road when most are just straight line squid lords. Ian Hutchinson posted a 130mph plus lap of the TT on a superstock 2010 Fireblade. I'm sure this bike is too slow for the road for most people who think they need Ohlins to flap about the place.
Whatever about being more comfortable and getting a better set up, don't mistake this for thinking you are outperforming it on the road.

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The point I was making earlier about the S model provided to the Journos is that people forget this is a "press launch" i.e part of the marketing campaign. They are not going to promote the base, that said for the street the dynamic suspension is going to be excellent for most people even track stars if they ride it like a street bike. If they ride it like a track bike on the street then all bets are off. Personally Id get the base and enjoy the upgrade process.

My Ducati dealer simply said, if it’s going to be a street bike, get the S. If it’s going to be a track bike, get the base and build it out. When I had my Multi, and my Tuono, that was the best. Plush the bike out on the street, and freeway, and then switch to the stiff setup when I hit the twisities.

Yeah, I have base suspension and passed Keanu Reeves two weeks ago. If that isn't bragging rights then what is!!!
And a wonky QS to boot...

Just watch Dave Moss on his Yamaha R6 with a deactivated cylinder and stock suspension blowing by liter bikes and blinged out ducatis. It’s funny

There are a lot of really great points here as well as just good opinions. It's a field of info to figure out what's going to work for you the best.
I don't have time to tweak my bike every other ride. I live in a place that has everything from glassy smooth highways to 2,000 year old Roman cobblestones just out my front door and most commonly ride both in a single day.
I love riding the track but I'm not doing it every day nor am I chasing 10th's I'm just having fun. My bike goes everywhere in all seasons.
So I got the "V4S" Panigale. I find it stiffens up going faster in dynamic mode and if I round a corner and the road turns into a goat trail, which happens, it softens the suspension in about half a second. That has saved my ass a few times.
At the track I hit a button and I've got a setting for Mugello that I had set up with a pro with dynamic off. I'm still learning to ride this bike. I'm WAY far away from it's potential.
I rode an R1 and my V4S the same day at Mugello. The R1 was "easier" for sure but it's just not my thing. I like the feel of the Ducati though it's at times not as confidence inspiring, it's more challenging, exhilarating. I think it will take a while to tune this relationship and learn all the feedback to understand how to push it. I'm learning a lot of new riding techniques that are way beyond the books and videos I've consumed over the years. For sure we're in a new era of mechanics electronics and riding styles. I rode an 848 with zero electronics and an 1198 with early traction control - that was 99% wrist. This V4S I've got on the gas pretty hard in the apex at the track to adjust trajectories, floating the back wheel in breaking zones. I couldn't have imagined such a thing with my earlier bikes. Fking fun as hellz bone stock red bike. So as far as confidence goes, I got to around 15-20% higher top speeds in 2 track days on this bike. So there's that. You got to make yours you. How much do you like to wrench how much time do you have to learn and what would you choose to spend your time learning? Wrenching or riding or a balance between them?

Off topic real quick: Mugello is on my bucket's list bucket list. That is all.

The Avidmoto said:

Off topic real quick: Mugello is on my bucket's list bucket list. That is all.

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Your bucket list has a bucket list?



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RODOLFO said:

Here is an hypothetical question

if you were getting a new 2022 V4

WOULD YOU GET A BASE V4

and upgrade

OZ lightweight wheels
REAR SHOCK (pic the brand)
FRONT FORKS


or just get the V4S with the OEM STUFF?

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without a doubt the base and suspension of choice, rear sets and body work for track

1299rFE said:

without a doubt the base and suspension of choice, rear sets and body work for track

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I mean if you’re going to get a dedicated track bike, why get a new 2022 V4 base? Just get a used 20-21 base and save a chunk of change (To spend on suspension, rearsets, body work).

The best things of the 2022 V4 are reserved for the S model like new fork and revised Ohlins EC 2. As a novice trackday rider, you most likely won’t notice the difference in power modes. About the only thing I can think of that would be beneficial over the 21 on the track would be the gearing changes.

Also this may be the best and thorough review on the V4S that I’ve read so far 2022 Ducati Panigale V4 S Review - First Ride - Motorcycle.com

Reduced gaps between the first three gears encourage smoother up and down-shifting, makes life easier for the electric shifter, and improves accelerating and when entering a corner.

assume this is a physical change in the gearbox

The new R will be amazing... for Bautista to crash

CSV4 said:

Reduced gaps between the first three gears encourage smoother up and down-shifting, makes life easier for the electric shifter, and improves accelerating and when entering a corner.

assume this is a physical change in the gearbox

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Of course it’s a physical change… one that can very likely be fitted to ‘19-‘21 bikes.


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I have no idea how a gear ratio change would effect the quickshifter...

CSV4 said:

The new R will be amazing... for Bautista to crash

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jaaaaa so good

bp_SFV4 said:

I have no idea how a gear ratio change would effect the quickshifter...

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No direct effect on the qs but an effect on gear change as there’s less of a torque delta and in theory should make programming the qs less difficult.


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