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thanks man
those videos are great
you just put me on the edge, of buying the BASE and some nice suspension parts
and enjoy myself setting them up
Base 2022 V4 or 2022 V4S
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thanks man
those videos are great
you just put me on the edge, of buying the BASE and some nice suspension parts
and enjoy myself setting them up
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I pondered on this as well. This will be a track only bike so I just ordered a 22 V4 base From Ducati Austin.
If I were to ride this bike on the street, and then do some track days, I think the decision would definitely be tough.
That being said, I think there is more value getting the aftermarket Ohlins stuff and carbon wheels for not too much more.
Ohlins R&T black edition- Those billet fork bottoms are just beautiful and the Rear shock $3800
Carbon wheels $4000
If I were to ride this bike on the street, and then do some track days, I think the decision would definitely be tough.
That being said, I think there is more value getting the aftermarket Ohlins stuff and carbon wheels for not too much more.
Ohlins R&T black edition- Those billet fork bottoms are just beautiful and the Rear shock $3800
Carbon wheels $4000
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Hit up cycler here for a deal on some wheels, don’t pay 4K…
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I have no doubt you believe that but it's hilarious. Michael Rutter actually went quicker back in 2019 on the base V4 when he tested the base and S on track (he said the Ohlins was too soft). People seriously overestimate how fast they are going on the road when most are just straight line squid lords. Ian Hutchinson posted a 130mph plus lap of the TT on a superstock 2010 Fireblade. I'm sure this bike is too slow for the road for most people who think they need Ohlins to flap about the place.
Whatever about being more comfortable and getting a better set up, don't mistake this for thinking you are outperforming it on the road.
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Really…? This is your argument? Are you that naive to think that an IOM TT Superstock bike is bone-stock? IOM TT Superstock rules allow shock changes and fork internals so yeah they’re running super fancy suspension (in accordance of the rules) up on The Mountain Course. You’d be an idiot not too. I’m pretty sure Hutchy was running K-tech carts and shock on his blade.
People nowadays really lack critical thinking skills. I literally just had to Google “IOM TT Superstock rules” and the answer is there. I mean .... Batmantits you live literally next to the Isle of Man…
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I spoke to the Ohlins factory support line reference setups on a previous bike and was told upon asking that the OEM Ohlins components that come with some premium bikes are no different than the ones you buy aftermarket other than ability to spec the spring weights or some optional internals. They are not a lower build quality version of an TTX or NIX. The reason to buy the lower spec bike and upgrade yourself is to be able to custom spec the suspension to your weight, riding style, and bike use
Even at a brisk road pace Ohlins offer a better ride because they are better quality and offer better response over a broader range of conditions and better adjustability. Mediocre suspension properly set up will out preform premium suspension not set up, and in reality you could probably respring and valve a Showa to make it perform better than an OEM Ohlins where you didn’t. Chances are if you care that much about suspension you think it worth it to start with better components.
I think the path of least resistance is still to go with an “S” if you don’t like to fiddle too much with suspension and you are primarily a road rider with occasional track days
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The TT is hardly applicable to anything else in general, those guys are a different breed. I remember seeing a craigslist post from Hutchy on the island asking if anyone had a set of forks from a specific year fireblade. Guy Martin borrowed a swingarm from a guy's living room decoration bike. Those guys could be on Vespas and would still perform feats mortal men wouldn't dare to attempt. There's no money in the TT, only glory, so those bikes (other than factory supported ones) actually aren't as top spec as you'd think.
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The point I was making earlier about the S model provided to the Journos is that people forget this is a "press launch" i.e part of the marketing campaign. They are not going to promote the base, that said for the street the dynamic suspension is going to be excellent for most people even track stars if they ride it like a street bike. If they ride it like a track bike on the street then all bets are off. Personally Id get the base and enjoy the upgrade process.
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My Ducati dealer simply said, if it’s going to be a street bike, get the S. If it’s going to be a track bike, get the base and build it out. When I had my Multi, and my Tuono, that was the best. Plush the bike out on the street, and freeway, and then switch to the stiff setup when I hit the twisities.
You said the base suspension isn't good enough for road use. That's complete nonsense. Go watch Sylvain Guintoli's videos where he takes a completely stock GSXR1000 out on track in the UK all and passes every single person in the advanced group who no doubt think like you on their extremely expensive, high spec brand new superbikes and ex race bikes. All this on a bike that I'd say 90% of them reckon is too slow for them.
I didn't say race stuff isn't better, I said you are delusional if you think you are going fast enough on the road that the base suspension is holding you back (unless you are too fat for the set up).
I used the Blade as an example of an old bike that most would think is too slow nowadays, but yes it did have upgraded suspension parts so I probably should have gone with the Guintoli one straight away.
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Yeah, I have base suspension and passed Keanu Reeves two weeks ago. If that isn't bragging rights then what is!!!
And a wonky QS to boot...
And a wonky QS to boot...
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There are a lot of really great points here as well as just good opinions. It's a field of info to figure out what's going to work for you the best.
I don't have time to tweak my bike every other ride. I live in a place that has everything from glassy smooth highways to 2,000 year old Roman cobblestones just out my front door and most commonly ride both in a single day.
I love riding the track but I'm not doing it every day nor am I chasing 10th's I'm just having fun. My bike goes everywhere in all seasons.
So I got the "V4S" Panigale. I find it stiffens up going faster in dynamic mode and if I round a corner and the road turns into a goat trail, which happens, it softens the suspension in about half a second. That has saved my ass a few times.
At the track I hit a button and I've got a setting for Mugello that I had set up with a pro with dynamic off. I'm still learning to ride this bike. I'm WAY far away from it's potential.
I rode an R1 and my V4S the same day at Mugello. The R1 was "easier" for sure but it's just not my thing. I like the feel of the Ducati though it's at times not as confidence inspiring, it's more challenging, exhilarating. I think it will take a while to tune this relationship and learn all the feedback to understand how to push it. I'm learning a lot of new riding techniques that are way beyond the books and videos I've consumed over the years. For sure we're in a new era of mechanics electronics and riding styles. I rode an 848 with zero electronics and an 1198 with early traction control - that was 99% wrist. This V4S I've got on the gas pretty hard in the apex at the track to adjust trajectories, floating the back wheel in breaking zones. I couldn't have imagined such a thing with my earlier bikes. Fking fun as hellz bone stock red bike. So as far as confidence goes, I got to around 15-20% higher top speeds in 2 track days on this bike. So there's that. You got to make yours you. How much do you like to wrench how much time do you have to learn and what would you choose to spend your time learning? Wrenching or riding or a balance between them?
I don't have time to tweak my bike every other ride. I live in a place that has everything from glassy smooth highways to 2,000 year old Roman cobblestones just out my front door and most commonly ride both in a single day.
I love riding the track but I'm not doing it every day nor am I chasing 10th's I'm just having fun. My bike goes everywhere in all seasons.
So I got the "V4S" Panigale. I find it stiffens up going faster in dynamic mode and if I round a corner and the road turns into a goat trail, which happens, it softens the suspension in about half a second. That has saved my ass a few times.
At the track I hit a button and I've got a setting for Mugello that I had set up with a pro with dynamic off. I'm still learning to ride this bike. I'm WAY far away from it's potential.
I rode an R1 and my V4S the same day at Mugello. The R1 was "easier" for sure but it's just not my thing. I like the feel of the Ducati though it's at times not as confidence inspiring, it's more challenging, exhilarating. I think it will take a while to tune this relationship and learn all the feedback to understand how to push it. I'm learning a lot of new riding techniques that are way beyond the books and videos I've consumed over the years. For sure we're in a new era of mechanics electronics and riding styles. I rode an 848 with zero electronics and an 1198 with early traction control - that was 99% wrist. This V4S I've got on the gas pretty hard in the apex at the track to adjust trajectories, floating the back wheel in breaking zones. I couldn't have imagined such a thing with my earlier bikes. Fking fun as hellz bone stock red bike. So as far as confidence goes, I got to around 15-20% higher top speeds in 2 track days on this bike. So there's that. You got to make yours you. How much do you like to wrench how much time do you have to learn and what would you choose to spend your time learning? Wrenching or riding or a balance between them?
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Off topic real quick: Mugello is on my bucket's list bucket list. That is all.
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without a doubt the base and suspension of choice, rear sets and body work for track
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I mean if you’re going to get a dedicated track bike, why get a new 2022 V4 base? Just get a used 20-21 base and save a chunk of change (To spend on suspension, rearsets, body work).
The best things of the 2022 V4 are reserved for the S model like new fork and revised Ohlins EC 2. As a novice trackday rider, you most likely won’t notice the difference in power modes. About the only thing I can think of that would be beneficial over the 21 on the track would be the gearing changes.
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Also this may be the best and thorough review on the V4S that I’ve read so far 2022 Ducati Panigale V4 S Review - First Ride - Motorcycle.com
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Reduced gaps between the first three gears encourage smoother up and down-shifting, makes life easier for the electric shifter, and improves accelerating and when entering a corner.
assume this is a physical change in the gearbox
assume this is a physical change in the gearbox
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The new R will be amazing... for Bautista to crash
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