Brembo GP Calipers & HPK rotors

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anthem said:
Great OEM componentry. Top end aftermarket parts will generally always outperform factory spec parts. For instance :
- Ohlins makes several front forks that are way better than the factory ohlins.
-Marchesini makes magnesium wheels that are lighter (although you could make an argument against magnesium)
-brembo has much better rotors (what we are discussing), master cylinders (3 models 'better' levels than stock, and rotors (hpk)
-there are better levers out there
-better pegs (rearset upgrade)
-better exhaust (even than termis - like the new akras
-better brake lines if you wanted to go down that path
-tuned Ecus that reduce heat and have better fueling

List is endless ....
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+1. Totally agree and I for one am very thankful for that endless list.
 
jarelj said:
Very similar to my setup:

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I'll echo the comments above, the stock Panigale brakes are very, very good already, best on the market of any bike I've ridden. However, they're still limited in that they're designed for a street bike that can also be ridden on the track. The full Brembo racing setup with master cyclinder, calipers and rotors, will provide even greater braking power and more precise feel at the limits of braking that you may experience on the track (hopefully!).
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+1.

Ok, so that is proper badass setup - magnificent. There I see the Brembo T Rotors !!! I don't see your GP lines connected to the Brembo Calipers though ?

What *exact* model bike is this on ? 1199 ?? Is so this means that the Brembo T Rotors are available ?

Thanks for sharing the pictures.
 
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jarelj said:
Yeah, I thought the black was a cool look, something a little different, and basically the same internally as the GP4-RX, they work great!
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As I have nickel plated GP4-RX on HPK rotors on the 1098. If I *were* to replace the calipers on my 1199, I would ideally go with front and rear black brembos and the T-Rotors (same setup as you), I would however probably keep the current Brembo and DP levers.

Whose brake pads are you using ?

Question, in your opinion do the T-Rotors make even more noise than a full Termi ?

Did you overcome the ABS sensor issue (as Anthem provided a great solution to) .. can you elaborate more technical details please ?

EDIT : I changed my mind, I prefer the nickel plated GP4-RX over the black brembos.
 
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CaliDuc said:
As I have nickel plated GP4-RX on HPK rotors on the 1098. If I *were* to replace the calipers on my 1199, I would ideally go with front and rear black brembos and the T-Rotors (same setup as you), I would however probably keep the current Brembo and DP levers.

Whose brake pads are you using ?

Question, in your opinion do the T-Rotors make even more noise than a full Termi ?

Did you overcome the ABS sensor issue (as Anthem provided a great solution to) .. can you elaborate more technical details please ?
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I do not know if there is a matching 484 rear (well black matching gp4-rx rear caliper). Cannot confirm but I haven't seen it. Not hard to spray it ever though.

If you do switch to the brembo caliper, you will want to change out the mc/lever/etc setup. The mc mated to the mc50 caliper on the 1199 is a 16mm (smaller similar to single rotor setup) master so the "ratios" aren't right. But - once you decide on the replacement calipers, it opens up /all/ the brembo mc line to you which you didn't have before. You can opt for the rcs19, the billet ones or the crazy GP billet forged ones.

Using stock calipers - none of the 19mm masters are matched well with the m50 caliper (you will have rock hard pull with no feel).

So keeping the MC and levers with the gp4-rx is probably not a good option.
 
yep that appears to be Jarel's 1199 with T rotors

CaliDuc said:
+1.

Ok, so that is proper badass setup - magnificent. There I see the Brembo T Rotors !!! I don't see your GP lines connected to the Brembo Calipers though ?

What *exact* model bike is this on ? 1199 ?? Is so this means that the Brembo T Rotors are available ?

Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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anthem said:
I do not know if there is a matching 484 rear (well black matching gp4-rx rear caliper). Cannot confirm but I haven't seen it. Not hard to spray it ever though.

If you do switch to the brembo caliper, you will want to change out the mc/lever/etc setup. The mc mated to the mc50 caliper on the 1199 is a 16mm (smaller similar to single rotor setup) master so the "ratios" aren't right. But - once you decide on the replacement calipers, it opens up /all/ the brembo mc line to you which you didn't have before. You can opt for the rcs19, the billet ones or the crazy GP billet forged ones.

Using stock calipers - none of the 19mm masters are matched well with the m50 caliper (you will have rock hard pull with no feel).

So keeping the MC and levers with the gp4-rx is probably not a good option.
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Makes sense .. just my DP lever addiction being tested ;) .. You will notice that I reversed the spacer to be under the bolt head for the GP4-RX on the 1098. I am wondering if I can get Brembo T Rotors (15mm offset) to fit on my 1199 and adjust spacer positioning accordingly.

EDIT : I just added a couple of photos of the Brembo RCS masters I have connected to the GP4-RXs on the 1098.

Big question is will I loose DTC ? All the research says yes ?

Ideally Jarel can provide a very detailed explanation .. I am easily sold on these things :D
 

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Hmm ... I am pondering going full bore and replicating the entire braking system that I have on my 1098 on the 1199, *if* I can maintain DTC and ABS, which would be Brembo RCS Masters, GP Lines, upgraded Clutch slave, Nickel GP4-RX, Brembo HPK rotors and Titanium Bango & Bleed Nipples, pins and rotor bolts.
 
CaliDuc said:
Hmm ... I am pondering going full bore and replicating the entire braking system that I have on my 1098 on the 1199, *if* I can maintain DTC and ABS, which would be Brembo RCS Masters, GP Lines, upgraded Clutch slave, Nickel GP4-RX, Brembo HPK rotors and Titanium Bango & Bleed Nipples, pins and rotor bolts.
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similar list I have except for I have different brake MC and clutch control and what I am working on. .. But beware if you have ABS and replacing the brake lines. If you replace the brake lines, you need MC to valve, valve to front caliper and crossover. rear is rear brake to valve, valve to rear caliper. Fittings angle on front caliper is different. Rear I believe is the same. Brembo states their HPK rotors works with traction control using the oem hubs, but I haven't looked/tested that yet.
 
anthem said:
similar list I have except for I have different brake MC and clutch control and what I am working on. .. But beware if you have ABS and replacing the brake lines. If you replace the brake lines, you need MC to valve, valve to front caliper and crossover. rear is rear brake to valve, valve to rear caliper. Fittings angle on front caliper is different. Rear I believe is the same. Brembo states their HPK rotors works with traction control using the oem hubs, but I haven't looked/tested that yet.
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Yes, I attached the photo of the config on the 1098. For the 1199 I am doing a second pass upgrade commencing from rear to front wheel, so more titanium and carbon mods to do before I hit the front wheel.

Yes on the HPK rotors working with traction control, I am really unsure if the Brembo T rotors will ? All my research suggests that the T Rotors will not work ? So, looks like the HPK are the best ones to go for.
 

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Out of curiosity, aren't the lines on the bike SS (do they expand all that much more than the lines you're referring to)? Are you upgrading to CF, Kevlar, or what?
 
TransNone13 said:
Out of curiosity, aren't the lines on the bike SS (do they expand all that much more than the lines you're referring to)? Are you upgrading to CF, Kevlar, or what?
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Due to the design of the calipers I had to have custom GP lines made and fitted (which are SS).
 
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are you sure about that? 1098s aren't fitted with marzocchi forks. The pic he recently posted of his 1199 track bike(reposted above) definately has the T spec rotors, just like the close up of the wheel he posted above.

He may have just made spacers to compensate for the different offset.


Trauma said:
Thats his 1098, the 1198s aren't available yet.
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XIXCIX said:
Knew what you meant... :)

I wonder the different is between the rotors, all things considered, given 1098's are available in the HP and T rotors.

Do you know this?
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fitment of the 1098 and 1199 discs are the same, the difference on the original 1098 ones is that one disc has the traction pickups on the bobbins between disc and carrier where the 1199 has the bolt on pickup ring on lhs

so any 1098/1198 fitment discs will work on 1199
 

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