Carbon Ceramic Rotors..

Prince Albert · Dec 29, 2015

Can someone please chime in and give me your thoughts on carbon ceramic rotors and a good make (Sicom, Braketech ?)..

Do they serve any good purpose on the street or only for racing??..
Please tell me your experiences..

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Ljuice26 · Dec 29, 2015

I would say only for racing. I believe you have to get some heat into the carbon brakes for them to work correctly. I use the brembo t drives

Gecko · Dec 29, 2015

Got SICOM (street, not racing disks, they do not need to get hot). Work at least as good as steel disks. But they are pretty ...... when its raining, and one disk starts to chip-off after 2 years.

The huge benefit for both track and street is the weight and the enormous reduction of rotational and unsprung mass on the front wheel! Bike behaves like a bicycle

Claymore · Dec 29, 2015

My SICOM's are still doing pretty well after more than 12 000 km's and more than 2 years. I would love a bit more bite, but will later add uprated callipers so all should be fine. I do not do track, road only.

Doug916SP · Dec 29, 2015

Great rotors!

Braketech CMC rotors do not have the downsides of MotoGP Carbons, ie: cost, wear life, temp requirements, fragility, etc.
I've had mine on three bikes over the years (2 Gixxers and my PaniR). I used them on countless trackdays and thousands of hard street miles.
Braketech makes carriers that are unique for their rotors. Since they were the distributors for the Carbon/Ceramic Ferodo/Starfire rotors, I could use the Panigale centers for my "old" CMC's.
They do not need to warm up, they work in the rain, save nearly FOUR (4) pounds of unsprung weight, never wear out, great for trail braking, and look cool.
Unfortunately, They have not been available for years and NOS are around $4 grand a set!!!

Gecko · Dec 29, 2015

Claymore said:
My SICOM's are still doing pretty well after more than 12 000 km's and more than 2 years. I would love a bit more bite, but will later add uprated callipers so all should be fine. I do not do track, road only.

A friend of mine upgraded the pistons to custom coated Ti made ones on his two M50 calipers. He swears breaking is better on his SICOM, and of course its lighter. I'll get them next year, don't know the costs yet. But way cheaper than new calipers

I'll keep you posted.

Claymore · Dec 29, 2015

Gecko said:
A friend of mine upgraded the pistons to custom coated Ti made ones on his two M50 calipers. He swears breaking is better on his SICOM, and of course its lighter. I'll get them next year, don't know the costs yet. But way cheaper than new calipers
I'll keep you posted.

Thanks Bro you are a star. I plan changes on my brake lines too to get a quicker and stronger response.

mrailing · May 18, 2016

Doug916SP said:
Braketech CMC rotors do not have the downsides of MotoGP Carbons, ie: cost, wear life, temp requirements, fragility, etc.
I've had mine on three bikes over the years (2 Gixxers and my PaniR). I used them on countless trackdays and thousands of hard street miles.
Braketech makes carriers that are unique for their rotors. Since they were the distributors for the Carbon/Ceramic Ferodo/Starfire rotors, I could use the Panigale centers for my "old" CMC's.
They do not need to warm up, they work in the rain, save nearly FOUR (4) pounds of unsprung weight, never wear out, great for trail braking, and look cool.
Unfortunately, They have not been available for years and NOS are around $4 grand a set!!!

Although I am a little late to this party, Braketech CMC rotors are amazing. Have had them on my R1 for years, and there is zero wear on them, after 15k street miles and 20+ track days. 3rd set of pads. I am about to send them back to Braketech to have the carriers swapped so I can install on the 1299 S, and can't wait for the rotating mass weight savings. The 1299 feels so heavy turning it.

If you can find a set of 320mm rotors, get them and get the carriers swapped and the XRAC pads that are "required" to run with them. You won't be disappointed. Each rotor weighs about 1.1 pound.

All the benefits are mentioned above, and Jeff @ Braketech still says that some new ones are on the horizon, but cost isn't know. So glad I have my set.

I was offered $5000 for them at a track day at Barber in 2014. These are worth their weight in gold!

double0 · May 18, 2016

1299 feels heavy when turning it? You're joking, right?

reganc · May 18, 2016

I would not bother with them on the street as you need heat to make them work and they are serious $$.

For me it comes down to money and I'm not willing to spend $4k on the Sicom, I had ceramics on a car of mine that cracked and I would not do it again.

tadashi · May 18, 2016

reganc said:
I would not bother with them on the street as you need heat to make them work and they are serious $$.

For me it comes down to money and I'm not willing to spend $8k on the Sicom, I had ceramics on a car of mine that cracked and I would not do it again.

False- these are not even close to the brakes you have used. And why would you need 2 sets of sicom rotors?

AntiHero · May 18, 2016

double0 said:
1299 feels heavy when turning it? You're joking, right?

Dunno about the 1299, but after 4 sessions on a track like Sonoma, the 1199 DEFINITELY feels heavy, especially compared to 600s prepped for racing!

mrailing · May 18, 2016

double0 said:
1299 feels heavy when turning it? You're joking, right?

No I'm not joking. But my comparison really isn't all that fair. I created a thread explaining in the 1299 forum, waiting for the approval. With the setup on the R1, I lost 27 pounds of rotating mass from the bike, and in comparing it to the 1299, the 1299 is heavy on turn in. Comparing to my old FZ1, or a few other bikes, it's fairly spot on for what it is. I am basing this off a stock setup on it, without suspension tuning or any other tweaking, it will get better shortly, but yes, right off the bat, it's heavy in comparison.

Here's my R1...

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/223-07-08-performance-group/325437-mrailings-07-r1.html

Claymore · May 18, 2016

AntiHero said:
Dunno about the 1299, but after 4 sessions on a track like Sonoma, the 1199 DEFINITELY feels heavy, especially compared to 600s prepped for racing!

Perhaps you should also prep it for race as it already weighs in lower than the 600's?

mrailing · May 18, 2016

AntiHero said:
Dunno about the 1299, but after 4 sessions on a track like Sonoma, the 1199 DEFINITELY feels heavy, especially compared to 600s prepped for racing!

Well, my other follow up post seems to have been moderated.

My R1 weighs 387 pounds wet in street trim, a good deal lighter in track trim. I lost 27 pounds of rotating mass (from stock setup) with the BST wheels, CMC rotors, and various titanium bits. Being that BST wheels weight is in the hub, and not the rim, same with the rotors being closer to the center, that made weight even tighter centered and made those 27 pounds feel even lighter overall.

So no joke on the "heavy" feel of the 1299 S. My R1 felt like riding a 250, and was lighter than most track ready 600s. The 1299 will get there soon enough.

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