Changing between ECU software gizmos

Who has done their own handheld software change and then changed again to a different supplier make or brand, for example SLR to Up map to Woolich and back?

I've done UpMap and SLR on my V4R, and Woolich on the 22 bike.

Initially loaded the up map and tgen changed to SLR?

Hey Andy, maybe you can tell us what kind of idea is going on in your mind. In general it is no problem to use one system and then switch to another. I would always recommend to switch back to the original map with the last used system before switching to another system.

andyb said:

Initially loaded the up map and tgen changed to SLR?

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Yep.

So I was 22 map then uploaded woolich
Now I have the 23 map loaded and believe it’s overwritten the woolich as my error codes for o2 heater x 4 and the exhaust valve are back on
The bike idles well and revs nicely havnt loaded it
I have removed the d200 gone back to std manifolds and spark 3/4 system
I reconnected the o2 sensors and interestingly it wouldn’t rev, disconnected them and it was back as before idling nicely and revving

Is there any way I can tell if the woolich is still in there ? Without fooking up the 23 update

Note this was all running up after changing back the exhaust .. plan is dyno

andyb said:

So I was 22 map then uploaded woolich
Now I have the 23 map loaded and believe it’s overwritten the woolich as my error codes for o2 heater x 4 and the exhaust valve are back on
The bike idles well and revs nicely havnt loaded it
I have removed the d200 gone back to std manifolds and spark 3/4 system
I reconnected the o2 sensors and interestingly it wouldn’t rev, disconnected them and it was back as before idling nicely and revving

Is there any way I can tell if the woolich is still in there ? Without fooking up the 23 update

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Hey Andy, the issue you describe with not liking idle and rev with O2 sensors connected sound like your switched some of the sensor wires around. Check the wiring.

For sure your Woolich is gone. You confirmed that by reading the calibration ID.

all four are in a unique position to get to their said sensor, so you cant get it wrong....even if you tried they won't reach!

with all four connected the error codes can be removed and stay away..

andyb said:

So I was 22 map then uploaded woolich
Now I have the 23 map loaded and believe it’s overwritten the woolich as my error codes for o2 heater x 4 and the exhaust valve are back on
The bike idles well and revs nicely havnt loaded it
I have removed the d200 gone back to std manifolds and spark 3/4 system
I reconnected the o2 sensors and interestingly it wouldn’t rev, disconnected them and it was back as before idling nicely and revving

Is there any way I can tell if the woolich is still in there ? Without fooking up the 23 update

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With my SLR, it can read any map that's on the bike. I can then send it to SLR and they would confirm if it's the stock map, or theirs, or a.n.other.
Will your Woolich device read/download the map on there, then send to Woolich to confirm what you have?

RickD996 said:

With my SLR, it can read any map that's on the bike. I can then send it to SLR and they would confirm if it's the stock map, or theirs, or a.n.other.
Will your Woolich device read/download the map on there, then send to Woolich to confirm what you have?

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All the Dimsport MyGenius device (which is the same that SLR, Bren and I use) can do is read the calibration ID. If a modified map has been loaded with the same calibration ID as the original it will not know the difference. The same is true for Woolich.

Didn't really want to connect it. Wonder what happens when you first connect one?
My software is as per 2023 ducati calibration id I can see that from a simple obd11 reader thats how I can see the error codes and remove them.

All sorted

As per the other thread, I am curious to hear from DuessenEngines his thoughts on this.

Option 1: Akra full map loaded onto 2018 V4S. Akra full system removed and D200 system fitted. O2 sensors still enabled and functioning as per Akra map. Any potential issues?
Option 2: Have dealer remove Akra map, remove Akra system and fit D200 and then appropriate Termi UpMap (though there isn't actually a map for the D200 to suit 2018 bike at present) the closest woud be the 4Uscite map. Then remove lambda sensors


Questions....

With the latter option, what implications are there to the running of the bike, if the lambda sensors are disabled/removed?

With the first option, again, whilst the map is specifically for the full Akra system, the fuelling will have been optimised for it, so I fully appreciate having a D200 system in it's place will doubtless render the Akra map sub-optimal. I am not chasing tenths here, just want the bike to run smoothly as it's not a track bike and I can't imagine the differences would be enough to warrant loading an UPMAP over the Akra map or would there be?

Even if I did that, would the UPMAP overwrite the Akra map or must the Akra map be removed first, since it retains the use of the O2 sensors? Also does the UPMAP also disable the exhaust valve and EVAP canister (if applicable)?. Whilst I appreciate the O2 sensors only play a part at idle and up to 6K rpm, does the UPMAP eliminating them entirely, not then compromise how optimally the bike runs?

Both Akra and T800 Upmap will disable the exhaust valve. You can just put the T800 Upmap over the Akra map. Any map will replace a previous map. Most T800 Upmap will diable the diagnostics of the O2 sensors. So you can remove them if desired. As most T800 Upmaps I have seen are based on the Akra maps the EVAP system can be removed as it is disabled in all Euro4 maps and 2021 Euro5 Akra maps.

DeussenEngines said:

Both Akra and T800 Upmap will disable the exhaust valve. You can just put the T800 Upmap over the Akra map. Any map will replace a previous map. Most T800 Upmap will diable the diagnostics of the O2 sensors. So you can remove them if desired. As most T800 Upmaps I have seen are based on the Akra maps the EVAP system can be removed as it is disabled in all Euro4 maps and 2021 Euro5 Akra maps.

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Why does Akrapovic then supply their full system with provision to refit the lambda probes, even instructing you to do so in their installation instructions?
If the T800 map (the closest to the D200 for a 2018 bike being the 4Uscite map) is largely based on the Akra map, what advantage is there in replacing it with Termignoni's version, since as you state they both eliminate the EVAP canister, disable the probes and the exhust valve, so no CEL codes will be displayed. Other than some minor differences to the fuel tables, there must be a sound reason/advantage else why bother?

topolino said:

Why does Akrapovic then supply their full system with provision to refit the lambda probes, even instructing you to do so in their installation instructions?
If the T800 map (the closest to the D200 for a 2018 bike being the 4Uscite map) is largely based on the Akra map, what advantage is there in replacing it with Termignoni's version, since as you state they both eliminate the EVAP canister, disable the probes and the exhust valve, so no CEL codes will be displayed. Other than some minor differences to the fuel tables, there must be a sound reason/advantage else why bother?

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Because some adaptive learning takes place with the O2 sensors and it improves idle stability.
You pointed out the exact reason why you should always use a matching ECU Software for the exhaust: The adjustment in tables to match the exhaust.

DeussenEngines said:

Because some adaptive learning takes place with the O2 sensors and it improves idle stability.
You pointed out the exact reason why you should always use a matching ECU Software for the exhaust: The adjustment in tables to match the exhaust.

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can that match be achieved with a canned tune?

andyb said:

can that match be achieved with a canned tune?

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Yes it can. Especially at higher loads. The deviation at lower loads can differ more but with the majority of the bikes it will work well.

DeussenEngines said:

Because some adaptive learning takes place with the O2 sensors and it improves idle stability.
You pointed out the exact reason why you should always use a matching ECU Software for the exhaust: The adjustment in tables to match the exhaust.

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So my original.question remains. If retaining the O2 sensors as in the case of the full Akra system and supplied map improves idle stability, what does the T800 upmap offer if it does away with them?