Choosing right bike

Hi,

currently i am riding Iron 883 (Harley 50hp, since last 1 year), i want buy 1299. however i am not sure if it will be perfect or shall i go to a 800CC like Z800 or somehting else, please advise. also i ware of option that 1299 do offer sleek mode (120hp low).

Regards,
arihant

Switching from 883 to Z800 = from mowing machine to a jet
Switching from 883 to 1299 = from scythe to a cruise misile

Gecko: what should be best way to end up in 1299?

best way is to buy it. i never believed you have to keep trading up thats a waste of money. my first bike in 07 was a liter bike. i never was on a bike before that. never looked back. my buddies all got 600s and then lost money on those and bought liter bikes. your wrist will determine how fast you go not if the bike is a 600 or 1000

truth be told though i went out and bought one of those guys 600 so i can use it on the track. just be careful you will be fine.

Well, I really don't know... I could tell you endless stories how I learned to ride.

But in the end I think mark419ny is right: if you have the money and your common sense is somewhat ok, buy the 1299.

Another question: I thought KTM is a big manufacturer in India. Won't you get a good price for a cool bike to learn (and crash) without the monetary implications?

Gecko: indeed KTM is cheaper here can get 390 duke and crash it many time it needed.

however i am not a speed lover, and most of the infrastructure (roads) here do not allow you to unsealed full power of litre bike.

only for passion we needed.

the actual question is if we know basics of ridding bike very well (like HD 883).

can we go 1299 with 120 low in the beginning or as per your experience it is still too early.

mark419ny said:

best way is to buy it. i never believed you have to keep trading up thats a waste of money. my first bike in 07 was a liter bike. i never was on a bike before that. never looked back. my buddies all got 600s and then lost money on those and bought liter bikes. your wrist will determine how fast you go not if the bike is a 600 or 1000

truth be told though i went out and bought one of those guys 600 so i can use it on the track. just be careful you will be fine.

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Even your boy MM93 didn't start riding with a powerful bike. I think you can learn a lot more by starting out on a smaller bike and moving up.

If I read your posts correctly, your interest is in owning an awesome looking bike that you would like to ride around way below it's capabilities and show it off in the process.
If that assessment is correct then all you have to do is watch your throttle hand and the brakes, both can get you in trouble real fast.

I think the riding position is something you will have to adapt to more than the power. You won't like it if you want to sit straight up. Don't the Ducati dealers there offer test rides?

i am saying this every time this question is asked:

If you get the bike for road riding/chilling/everything else, get the 1299, you will love it

if you are a new sport bike rider and looking to learn how to ride fast on the track (like really want to learn the proper way), dont get the 1299, you will learn how to ride fast much faster and easier on a small bike

speak from my own experience.

your money, your call

You'll be fine. Max out the ABS and DTC settings.

Then just respect the bike.

Buy a KTM 390 and a bunch of brackets and a 1299 fairing set. Then you'll have the look the want (kinda-ish).

If you're not a "speed lover", how do you connect the 1299 to "passion"?

The basics of riding a motorcycle are quite different than the basics of riding a motorcycle on a track or riding a motorcycle fast. Especially when you change the bike that drastically.

Although you likely will be able to simply ride the 1299, I can't imagine it being and enjoyable experience for you. Totally your call to make that purchase, but you might be better off buying a bike that is more suited and capable for you and your living area.

mark419ny said:

best way is to buy it. i never believed you have to keep trading up thats a waste of money. my first bike in 07 was a liter bike. i never was on a bike before that. never looked back. my buddies all got 600s and then lost money on those and bought liter bikes. your wrist will determine how fast you go not if the bike is a 600 or 1000

truth be told though i went out and bought one of those guys 600 so i can use it on the track. just be careful you will be fine.

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Some of the worst advice I have ever seen.

It isn't just about "respecting the bike" and "taking it easy" etc. It is about room for error...and a 200+HP bike has none.

A Yamaha R6 will kill you as fast as a Panigale will. Even less room for error. Less power maybe, but the entire bike is edgy. You'd have to drop all the way down to sport touring bikes or a 400cc Suzuki DRZ single before things get safe again.

But sportbikes aren't killing machines. Ride like an adult and push yourself to learn, and you'll be fine. Stay within your limits, don't out ride your line of sight.

The 1199 is actually one of the safest sportbikes I've ridden.

Buliwyf said:

A Yamaha R6 will kill you as fast as a Panigale will. Even less room for error. Less power maybe, but the entire bike is edgy. You'd have to drop all the way down to sport touring bikes or a 400cc Suzuki DRZ single before things get safe again.



But sportbikes aren't killing machines. Ride like an adult and push yourself to learn, and you'll be fine. Stay within your limits, don't out ride your line of sight.



The 1199 is actually one of the safest sportbikes I've ridden.

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I had an R6 and the twitchy-ness of it actually insulates the rider from making a commitment that you can't get out of... So although I don't think your statement is inaccurate, I disagree.

My CBR 1000rr was the opposite and would almost lull you to sleep at high speeds... Then all of a sudden ".... I'm in an ever-decreasing radius corner..."

It's nothing other than experience that prepares someone for those situations. I think that this OP won't really be in that situation; based on his comments he'll never be north of 4000rpm.

The biggest difference is that typically speaking, 600's make well below 100HP and well under 40lb/ft of torque until you get to above 10,000RPM. So the new rider can simply keep the bike between 4k-8k RPM and boom...room for error.

On something that makes 200hp and 100lb/ft of torque UNDER 10,000RPM...there is very little room for error. You have to remember that the majority of new riders won't have very good throttle control. And a slight slip of the wrist can have you traveling 100mph before you even realize what is going on.

Or somebody is about to pull out in front of them and they get excited and "grab a handful of throttle", next thing they know the front end is skimming/off the ground and they cant get the bike to turn. Now they are carrying too much speed, can't get the bike turned and are WAY over their head.

Sure, there are exceptions. But typically speaking, saying any brand new rider will be OK with a Liter bike is simply bad advice. I have been around bikes for a long time and have a good friend that has been an insurance agent for 15 years. Regardless of the good luck some people might have had as a n00b with a Liter bike, statistically speaking, it isn't a safe bet.

Chaotic said:

Sure, there are exceptions. But typically speaking, saying any brand new rider will be OK with a Liter bike is simply bad advice. I have been around bikes for a long time and have a good friend that has been an insurance agent for 15 years. Regardless of the good luck some people might have had as a n00b with a Liter bike, statistically speaking, it isn't a safe bet.

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To be fair, the OP claims to have been riding an 883 the past year. From this it's reasonable to believe he's accumulated some basic skills dealing with the unexpected in road/traffic. So he's not a noob.
Yes, it's absurd to think a new rider will be fine on a liter+ bike. And I think anyone seeking advice as to whether they should move up to that class bike should pause and think - if you have enough doubts about your ability that you start seeking the advice of others you probably shouldn't do it.

I believe something like this might be the answer to your dilemma

Charliem90 said:

To be fair, the OP claims to have been riding an 883 the past year. From this it's reasonable to believe he's accumulated some basic skills dealing with the unexpected in road/traffic. So he's not a noob.
Yes, it's absurd to think a new rider will be fine on a liter+ bike. And I think anyone seeking advice as to whether they should move up to that class bike should pause and think - if you have enough doubts about your ability that you start seeking the advice of others you probably shouldn't do it.

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True. I was speaking more in general.

Like every thread on every forum ive ever been on.......the thread stopped being about the OP a long time ago.