DDA+ and GPS

1050er · Aug 1, 2018

I guess that there might be two versions. One with only one cable (N) for Flashers and license plates ans another version with two cable P + N - in this case you do not need the extra cables 12 and 13.
I also only have one cable (N) so i mounted the cables 12 and 13. But no success.
No GPS marker in the dash.

I have no idea how to proceed.

1050er · Aug 1, 2018

Who the hell had the stupid idea to place the DDA stick underneath the seat?
Shall i open the annoying two screws to remove the seat?
And this bracket 9 is not really helpful. How can one unplug the connector?

Trackmaniak · Aug 1, 2018

1050er said:
I guess that there might be two versions. One with only one cable (N) for Flashers and license plates ans another version with two cable P + N - in this case you do not need the extra cables 12 and 13.
I also only have one cable (N) so i mounted the cables 12 and 13. But no success.
No GPS marker in the dash.

I have no idea how to proceed.

But did you try It on the track ? Maybe there Is just no GPS logo on the dash as on the video I posted ...

Desmolvr · Aug 2, 2018

I have the Speciale and I do see that logo on my dash. I know it came with the DDA but I have not tried it yet. I was looking into purchasing the AIM system that also plugs into the service port to pull ECU information.

ddd269 · Aug 2, 2018

Desmolvr said:
I have the Speciale and I do see that logo on my dash. I know it came with the DDA but I have not tried it yet. I was looking into purchasing the AIM system that also plugs into the service port to pull ECU information.

I think somebody should come up with an extension cord for the DDA plug and extend the pigtail to the tail storage. Would be a better option than removing the seat every time.

Trackmaniak · Aug 20, 2018

ddd269 said:
I think somebody should come up with an extension cord for the DDA plug and extend the pigtail to the tail storage. Would be a better option than removing the seat every time.

No need ... that's exactly what I did ... the harness supplied Is long enough to put the DDA stick there ... I used the rubber mount supplied with the kit and Installed It making 2 small holes ( I will try to send Pictures )
You then put the GPS sensor It the front with the supplied connector

And for those who still don't know, the dealership needs to enable the GPS with their computer In order to make this kit work ...

thorny · Aug 20, 2018

What does DDA do exactly ? Will it show lap times automatically on the dash as you go around the circuit ? Or it just records stuff and you have to download later ? If so what does it record apart from lap Time? Thanks

Trackmaniak · Aug 21, 2018

trackmaniak said:
no need ... That's exactly what i did ... The harness supplied is long enough to put the dda stick there ... I used the rubber mount supplied with the kit and installed it making 2 small holes ( i will try to send pictures )
you then put the gps sensor it the front with the supplied connector

and for those who still don't know, the dealership needs to enable the gps with their computer in order to make this kit work ...

mtb · Aug 22, 2018

thorny said:
What does DDA do exactly ? Will it show lap times automatically on the dash as you go around the circuit ? Or it just records stuff and you have to download later ? If so what does it record apart from lap Time? Thanks

Depends on the bike. DDA+GPS on my 899 records throttle position, DTC activation level, position on the track, RPM, speed, gear, and a few other things.

I wrote some software to convert the files to CSV for use with Race Render, etc. to make overlays on my gopro videos. That was my main reason for getting it.

thorny · Aug 22, 2018

mtb said:
Depends on the bike. DDA+GPS on my 899 records throttle position, DTC activation level, position on the track, RPM, speed, gear, and a few other things.

I wrote some software to convert the files to CSV for use with Race Render, etc. to make overlays on my gopro videos. That was my main reason for getting it.

Thank you. How do you view and analyse the recorded data. It comes with a software application ?

mtb · Aug 22, 2018

It comes with software to visualize the data, but honestly that doesn't help me much. Integrating it into video so I can see what is really going on at the time, what my line was like, etc. is more helpful IMO.

MotoX183 · Aug 22, 2018

So, just FYI. I ran with the setup that was installed on the Speciale this last weekend @ COTA. Came out pretty disappointed. The DDA system on the 1299 seemed to work much better and more consistently.

For some reason, I was getting "Lap Full" messages on screen with only 15 laps recorded in the lap screen menu. I know I've previously had upwards of 30 or so laps on the 1299 without issue.

Second, and this was the most problematic. The damn thing sometimes wouldn't record the end of a lap and just keep going and then maybe click off a lap the next go around. I ended up with several 4m+ laps at COTA. This happened a good 20-30% of the time. Really disappointing.

I had the start finish setup in the exact same place I used on the 1299 without issues. Weather was perfect and clear.

Anyway, just a heads up for others. Perhaps I'm missing something (hopefully), but I don't think so, as I used the 1299 system religiously without issue.

Desmolvr · Aug 22, 2018

Thanks for the heads up. I know the manual states that the lap timer only holds 15 laps but I was hoping with the DDA attached it would save. Seems crazy that you have to clear it out after almost every session. I am looking into getting the AIM timer as they have a cable that will plug into the same port as DDA and provide additional data.

mtb · Aug 22, 2018

On my 899, the quality of the GPS sync varies wildly, and I get issues getting an accurate lap time because of it. It often does what you say and won't record the start/finish line.

It does however have space to record basically a whole day of laps with tons of space to spare. Not sure what is going on for the v4 guys there.

thorny · Aug 23, 2018

MotoX183 said:
So, just FYI. I ran with the setup that was installed on the Speciale this last weekend @ COTA. Came out pretty disappointed. The DDA system on the 1299 seemed to work much better and more consistently.

For some reason, I was getting "Lap Full" messages on screen with only 15 laps recorded in the lap screen menu. I know I've previously had upwards of 30 or so laps on the 1299 without issue.

Second, and this was the most problematic. The damn thing sometimes wouldn't record the end of a lap and just keep going and then maybe click off a lap the next go around. I ended up with several 4m+ laps at COTA. This happened a good 20-30% of the time. Really disappointing.

I had the start finish setup in the exact same place I used on the 1299 without issues. Weather was perfect and clear.

Anyway, just a heads up for others. Perhaps I'm missing something (hopefully), but I don't think so, as I used the 1299 system religiously without issue.

That is disappointing. I am looking at a possible setup for myself for lap times. Back in a day, I ran Aim Solo in my BMW M3 and it worked great, but bikes have so little room to mount all this stuff. I currently have GoPro by the ignition key, and wonder if anyone figured out how to mount AiM Solo DL on this bike.

I also have V1 radar detector and radar screamer wired for the street, I can't think of a place to mount anything extra..

BZortman · Aug 24, 2018

MotoX183 said:
So, just FYI. I ran with the setup that was installed on the Speciale this last weekend @ COTA. Came out pretty disappointed. The DDA system on the 1299 seemed to work much better and more consistently.

For some reason, I was getting "Lap Full" messages on screen with only 15 laps recorded in the lap screen menu. I know I've previously had upwards of 30 or so laps on the 1299 without issue.

Second, and this was the most problematic. The damn thing sometimes wouldn't record the end of a lap and just keep going and then maybe click off a lap the next go around. I ended up with several 4m+ laps at COTA. This happened a good 20-30% of the time. Really disappointing.

I had the start finish setup in the exact same place I used on the 1299 without issues. Weather was perfect and clear.

Anyway, just a heads up for others. Perhaps I'm missing something (hopefully), but I don't think so, as I used the 1299 system religiously without issue.

Curious about where you mounted your GPS sensor? Did you have Ducati activate the GPS as described by another, or was it plug and play? My system not recognizing GPS. I have turned on DDA and track mode plus activated start finish with no luck with autolap at all.

Trackmaniak · Aug 24, 2018

BZortman said:
Curious about where you mounted your GPS sensor? Did you have Ducati activate the GPS as described by another, or was it plug and play? My system not recognizing GPS. I have turned on DDA and track mode plus activated start finish with no luck with autolap at all.

Since your bike In not a Speciale, you have to have It activated by the dealership ...
You can either put the Sensor In the front or In the back ... If you use a Carbon fiber tail fairing, you better put It In the front or the sensor won't work ...

MotoX183 · Aug 24, 2018

BZortman said:
Curious about where you mounted your GPS sensor? Did you have Ducati activate the GPS as described by another, or was it plug and play? My system not recognizing GPS. I have turned on DDA and track mode plus activated start finish with no luck with autolap at all.

This was on a speciale, so it was already installed by Ducati. I believe it is installed in the tail. Pretty sure I just saw the blank in the front still.

If there is an option to move it to the front, that *could* perhaps eliminate the issue I was having with it not ending laps properly. Would be nice if that was an option, because right now it does not work very well for track use.

MotoX183 · Aug 24, 2018

thorny said:
That is disappointing. I am looking at a possible setup for myself for lap times. Back in a day, I ran Aim Solo in my BMW M3 and it worked great, but bikes have so little room to mount all this stuff. I currently have GoPro by the ignition key, and wonder if anyone figured out how to mount AiM Solo DL on this bike.

I also have V1 radar detector and radar screamer wired for the street, I can't think of a place to mount anything extra..

Yep, totally understand. It is so much cleaner just having it all integrated into the dash.. if it works. Some guys mentioned that maybe the mount location is optional? If that is the case, perhaps just needs to be mounted in the nose for best track performance. Someone should test/verify this.

thorny · Aug 24, 2018

MotoX183 said:
Yep, totally understand. It is so much cleaner just having it all integrated into the dash.. if it works. Some guys mentioned that maybe the mount location is optional? If that is the case, perhaps just needs to be mounted in the nose for best track performance. Someone should test/verify this.

Oh to hell with this. I ordered the DDA, I will give it a shot and make sure that the sensor is mounted upfront and report how it works for me. Next time out for me will be COTA after the F1 weekend most likely.

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