Dead 1199....

Morning,
I am hoping someone can shed some light on an issue I am having with my 2012 Panigale (abs), preferably before I wheel it into the garden and set fire to it.

So, The bike has done 6000 miles and was serviced by and excellent shop (BSD Performance) around 1 month ago. It also required a new MAP sensor whilst it was in.
It has since covered around 150 miles over two rides without issue, until last weekend.

I started the bike and gave it a minute to warm up as usual and set off. I got around 1/4 mile up the road and it coughed for a second, then picked back up and carried on fine.
another 1/4 mile later, I came to a set of lights and it cut out as I stopped and would not start again.
There are no lights/warnings on the dash.
The engine turns over as normal but does not fire.

Since then, I have checked the following and found no issue:
Spark to vertical cylinder.
Fuel pump running, spare pump also fitted.
injector leads swapped from primary to secondary which did result in them firing, so they are being instructed to fire.
Primary and secondary injectors swapped in positions to see if a primary had failed, no effect.
Replaced the fuel (although this was only 4 weeks old to start with)
Battery fully charged and good voltage.
Checked all electrical connections beneath the two side panels and under the tank/seat.

Interestingly, whilst trying all of these things, it has stated twice. Both times it has started straight away like there's nothing wrong, but then wont start again immediately after.
The second time, i did give it a rev, it seemed to struggle to get up to 7000rpm, but then span right up after that. I believe the secondary injectors come in at 7000rpm?

Any previous similar issues you have had or suggestions of where to look next would be appreciated.

I have tried to get it running on JPDiag, however I can't get my laptop to see the bike, the connection just drops out. I believe I have the correct lead/chip/com port etc. I think the issue lies with my old laptop.

Many thanks

Bad gas?

Perhaps the new MAP sensor is bad or the connector for it has a bent pin that is not making good contact. I’d start there.

Charcoal canister removed or not!?

Paul G said:

Bad gas?

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No afraid not, it was only 4 weeks old and has been changed anyway

Bo13R said:

Charcoal canister removed or not!?

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I thought they were US only (I'm UK)? regardless, there isn't one fitted. So not that

DCPanni said:

Perhaps the new MAP sensor is bad or the connector for it has a bent pin that is not making good contact. I’d start there.

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I have been out on it a few times since it was fitted without issue and I did disconnect both when I was checking connections. They all got a little spray and put back together.
When the original failed it didn't affect the bikes running but did bring up a warning on the dash. Are they known to create problems without giving a warning light?

Air , fuel, spark... what's missing? Even If you had MelcoDiag up and running, with no error present on the dash, It's hit or miss if Melco captured any fault... but it is possible. To top it off, the problem appears to be somewhat intermittent. Instead of focusing on the failure of a particular component, check electrical connectivity once again. Check and clean contacts in any circuit that will impact the run state. Check the wiring to the ignition switch, the connector to the airbox, swap the E-lock relay with the injector relay adjacent to it, etc., and try to get MelcoDiag sorted as it may prove to be of use. Intermittent problems are a real pain.

Khmer1199 said:

Air , fuel, spark... what's missing? Even If you had MelcoDiag up and running, with no error present on the dash, It's hit or miss if Melco captured any fault... but it is possible. To top it off, the problem appears to be somewhat intermittent. Instead of focusing on the failure of a particular component, check electrical connectivity once again. Check and clean contacts in any circuit that will impact the run state. Check the wiring to the ignition switch, the connector to the airbox, swap the E-lock relay with the injector relay adjacent to it, etc., and try to get MelcoDiag sorted as it may prove to be of use. Intermittent problems are a real pain.

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Yeah that's the thing, it on the face of it has all three, something is obviously intermittently missing.
I have sorted the Melco problem (I didn't realise there were different versions on there for different bikes and had the wrong one), the licence came through late last night to ill get into it tonight.

It did still have a MAP sensor issue recorded on there, I don't know whether its still current or just didn't get deleted however.
I noticed there was a calibration option on Melco for the MAP sensors so I'll have a read into that and get them done.

I did notice that the throttle bodies are hunting a little with the ignition on so I'll reset the TPS whilst on there.

Cheers

CarlDKN said:

Yeah that's the thing, it on the face of it has all three, something is obviously intermittently missing.
I have sorted the Melco problem (I didn't realise there were different versions on there for different bikes and had the wrong one), the licence came through late last night to ill get into it tonight.

It did still have a MAP sensor issue recorded on there, I don't know whether its still current or just didn't get deleted however.
I noticed there was a calibration option on Melco for the MAP sensors so I'll have a read into that and get them done.

I did notice that the throttle bodies are hunting a little with the ignition on so I'll reset the TPS whilst on there.

Cheers

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If a MAP sensor failed previously (complete failure or intermittent), any dash error/indication would clear automatically when the problem was corrected, but the recorded DTC, the one shown using MelcoDiag, would remain. Perhaps that's what you're seeing.

CarlDKN said:

Yeah that's the thing, it on the face of it has all three, something is obviously intermittently missing.
I have sorted the Melco problem (I didn't realise there were different versions on there for different bikes and had the wrong one), the licence came through late last night to ill get into it tonight.

It did still have a MAP sensor issue recorded on there, I don't know whether its still current or just didn't get deleted however.
I noticed there was a calibration option on Melco for the MAP sensors so I'll have a read into that and get them done.

I did notice that the throttle bodies are hunting a little with the ignition on so I'll reset the TPS whilst on there.

Cheers

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The sensor on the gear lever sometimes plays up and needs to be recalibrated. It happened to my bike when I first got it and was fixed under warranty. The effect though was that the bike thought it was in gear when it was in neutral and so would not start. My first hint that something was going wrong was when the gear position indicator flashed back and forward between 1 and 2 really quickly while the bike was idling in neutral. It would then cut out and not start. I had to take it to the dealer they re flashed or re calibrated that sensor. Never had a problem since. May not be your issue but worth looking at.

Khmer1199 said:

If a MAP sensor failed previously (complete failure or intermittent), any dash error/indication would clear automatically when the problem was corrected, but the recorded DTC, the one shown using MelcoDiag, would remain. Perhaps that's what you're seeing.

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Afternoon, Yeah I thought as much. I have cleared it and it not returned.
I've been having a fiddle and disconnected the Map, Stand and QS connections one at a time to see if it made any difference as I believe they all run on the same section of the canbus system. No effect.

It did fire up once but only on the horizontal cylinder. I've noticed an oily substance weeping from the vertical cylinders header at the first joint since which looks ominous. Hopefully just a mixture of un-burnt fuel and carbon frmo the exhaust rather than oil getting into it. I'll admit defeat at this stage and take it back to the garage.

I'll report back once sorted.

Thank you all for you help and suggestions

Hi, just for anyone searching the forum in future looking for suggestions on a similar issue, it turned out to be a dickie HT Lead!
It would work if held in a certain position only, once replaced the issue has been resolved since.
Cheers

Only thing that has not been mentioned is the battery. That's usually 90% of the problems on these bikes.