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I have seen this several times and keep forgetting to post it.
Ducati 899 Panigale v 1199 Panigale R | Road Test | Motorcyclenews.com - YouTube

What's interesting is the lap times he states.

Going to run a cost estimate of what I spent for my R, and on my R and see what I would like to spend if I had an 899 and see where I would end up.

Strongly considering a second Pani and an 899 is starting to look like an option ;)
 
I guess soon there will be an S and R 899 in that case by what he said least on a tight track the 899 would win!
 
I've gone faster around both of our home tracks (mid-sized 2.3 mile 13/14 turn tracks without really long straights) on an 848 than I ever did on my 1098, 1198S and 1199. The 1199 was closest, but still down .5 secs to my old 2008 848 race bike. And that was before traction control came around. So I think it depends on what lever the rider is, perhaps the MCN rider was similar to me and not a professional racer who could really wring out the last few tenths out of a big bike on a tight track? I'm sure if Troy Bayliss came here and rode an 848 and an 1199 around my home track that he'd be faster on the big bike because he'd be able to use the power to square off the turns and slide it out, which I can only do by accident. But bottom line, I agree with MCN that on a tighter track not many of us "mortals" would really go much faster on an 1199R than we can on an 899. On a big track, sure the top speed advantage is going to take over and outweigh the corner speed advantage of the smaller bike.
 
899 just didn't do it for me for a track bike. Not trying to bag on it because it's a great bike but I felt like my 1199 was lighter, more nimble and turned in faster (Maybe due to the lighter CF wheels and suspension set up on my 1199 I felt it turned in faster, more mid corner speed). The thing I liked most about the 899 is you dont have to think much about the throttle control (similar to the 1199 wet mode) but comes on a little smoother and linear. The 1199 throttle control was a beast to tame at first but since I have been riding it since 2012 it has become second nature and I don't think about it much any more. I would like to ride the 899 with the suspension really set up for me to give it a truly fair comparison but after riding a 1199 and getting on the 899 you will instantly feel the lack of power and braking. The 899 would shine for caynon carving without a doubt.
 
There will always be people who will settle for less, look at all the crappy little cars people drive around in, cheap Chinese products people buy ect. ect. They are a large segment of the buying public, so Ducati is smart in providing them with something less.
 
jarelj said:
I've gone faster around both of our home tracks (mid-sized 2.3 mile 13/14 turn tracks without really long straights) on an 848 than I ever did on my 1098, 1198S and 1199. The 1199 was closest, but still down .5 secs to my old 2008 848 race bike. And that was before traction control came around. So I think it depends on what lever the rider is, perhaps the MCN rider was similar to me and not a professional racer who could really wring out the last few tenths out of a big bike on a tight track? I'm sure if Troy Bayliss came here and rode an 848 and an 1199 around my home track that he'd be faster on the big bike because he'd be able to use the power to square off the turns and slide it out, which I can only do by accident. But bottom line, I agree with MCN that on a tighter track not many of us "mortals" would really go much faster on an 1199R than we can on an 899. On a big track, sure the top speed advantage is going to take over and outweigh the corner speed advantage of the smaller bike.
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at least you can do it by accident the only thing i do by accident is crash lol
 
I'd be curious to know how quickly the journalists can run the 1199 in WET mode on these circuits.

The 899 looks to be a terrific bike but I think the primary argument against it when being compared to the 1199 is that, for just a little more, you can get into a bike that features a riding mode which can deliver a power output close to the 899's while featuring other upgrades such as a TFT dash, single sided swingarm, and ofcourse the ability to bump up the power when you feel so inclined. That being said, it's nice to have options and you really can't go wrong with either option. Get what calls out to you.
 
For me it was about 3 seconds a lap in wet mode vs. race mode on the 1199 (about 1:40 vs. 1:43 on a 2.3 mile track). About 1 second was from the straight, and the other 2 seconds was from softer corner exits. I ran in wet mode a lot when I was riding with guys on 600's and 848's because it was more fun than the "rubber band" effect with all that power in race mode.
 
Unlike the 1198/848, the 1199 is lighter than the 899, but a bit longer trail I believe and there is the power difference. I wonder what would happen if you fit the 899 tires on the 1199, tinkered with the geometry and setup a rain mode at 148bhp. My money is still on the 1199 by 3-5 seconds.
 
jarelj said:
I've gone faster around both of our home tracks (mid-sized 2.3 mile 13/14 turn tracks without really long straights) on an 848 than I ever did on my 1098, 1198S and 1199. The 1199 was closest, but still down .5 secs to my old 2008 848 race bike. And that was before traction control came around. So I think it depends on what lever the rider is, perhaps the MCN rider was similar to me and not a professional racer who could really wring out the last few tenths out of a big bike on a tight track? I'm sure if Troy Bayliss came here and rode an 848 and an 1199 around my home track that he'd be faster on the big bike because he'd be able to use the power to square off the turns and slide it out, which I can only do by accident. But bottom line, I agree with MCN that on a tighter track not many of us "mortals" would really go much faster on an 1199R than we can on an 899. On a big track, sure the top speed advantage is going to take over and outweigh the corner speed advantage of the smaller bike.
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Not arguing your point.


But I found the 1199 much faster then the 848 on the tight stuff.

I do think the changes in the 899 will also place it before the 848 due to geometry and and more HP though.



Only way I would get serious about commenting on the 899 is if I was able to beat on it for a weekend.

Keep us updated.
 
jarelj said:
For me it was about 3 seconds a lap in wet mode vs. race mode on the 1199 (about 1:40 vs. 1:43 on a 2.3 mile track). About 1 second was from the straight, and the other 2 seconds was from softer corner exits. I ran in wet mode a lot when I was riding with guys on 600's and 848's because it was more fun than the "rubber band" effect with all that power in race mode.
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Have you had a chance to put the 899 through the paces at the same track? If so, how did your times compare to the 1199's WET 1:43?
 
Does anyone else just think this dude is trying to sell the 899?


Its the only reason the vid was made and produced IMHO.
 
Duck41 said:
Have you had a chance to put the 899 through the paces at the same track? If so, how did your times compare to the 1199's WET 1:43?
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Not yet, our track days don't start until April. I fully expect the 899 once it's set up to be just as fast as the 1199 for me at these tracks. Might even be faster than the old 848 was due to the better electronics. RWHP is about even between an 899 with Termis on it vs. what my 848 was putting out, around 130HP. The 899 should be a little lighter as well. We'll see what happens!
 
centeroff said:
There will always be people who will settle for less, look at all the crappy little cars people drive around in, cheap Chinese products people buy ect. ect. They are a large segment of the buying public, so Ducati is smart in providing them with something less.
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Sometimes less is more too;)
 
outhouse said:
Does anyone else just think this dude is trying to sell the 899?


Its the only reason the vid was made and produced IMHO.
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I'm not so sure about that. Considering the Super-Middleweight class has only recently gained traction and that there are noticeably diminishing gaps in both performance and price among the offerings, I believe the comparisons and evaluations between these two classes are especially warranted. As performance, features, and prices among different classes get closer, consumers will require more information to guide them on what the differences are and how they will affect the ownership experience.

In my opinion, it's okay that the 899 is being painted as the better street bike. I don't think many here bought the 1199 with the hopes that it would be the most user-friendly street-bike available. I personally like the idea of having the more aggressive and committed of the two, just as I'm sure 899 owners favor the idea of having the more street friendly model. For my uses, I want the closest thing to a street legal race bike as possible and the 1199 certainly fills that role better for me than the 899 would.
 
I'm obviously in the minority here and in no way thinking that I'm a profitable customer profile for Ducati.............BUT, I was super bummed the 899 came out at the capacity it did. I club race and it just puts it in oddball classes for me. Same problem I had with my Gsxr-750 last season.
 
I tried wet vs race mode last summer and although wet felt faster it was not even close.

Got to the staging late and was riding alone for the first few laps and felt like Rossi. Could get on the gas earlier and wring it out like 600.

When the boys caught up to me they blew by like I was standing still. Would lose 2 seconds on a 4th gear straight.
 
shakazulu12 said:
I'm obviously in the minority here and in no way thinking that I'm a profitable customer profile for Ducati.............BUT, I was super bummed the 899 came out at the capacity it did. I club race and it just puts it in oddball classes for me. Same problem I had with my Gsxr-750 last season.
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Agreed!! 849cc was what I was hoping for too. Or even a super high-strung 749cc revving to 13k with 140HP, that would have been an awesome race bike!
 

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