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KarlKani said:
Well the V4R is 998cc R, so there is no way they will do a twin version. And now that 959 is ss there is no now way they will do a V4 600. But it does seem like there are some other interesting prospects in the near future.


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Agree however I think more than a few of those “interesting prospects” are going to be sporting a lot of batteries.
 
endodoc said:
Agree however I think more than a few of those “interesting prospects” are going to be sporting a lot of batteries.
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Mick1976 said:
Yeah thats the direction all brands are going unfortunately. .... here in California you won't be able to buy anything gas powered in 10 years thanks to the liberals.
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Ahhh not what I am talking about, these will run on gas fellas...
 
endodoc said:
I’m leaning this direction as well. This whole V2 has baffled me since the beginning. You have a proven platform with the 899, 959, 1199,1299. Plenty of factory parts, plenary of aftermarket parts, plenty of tuning options and data. You send out the 1299FE and say “see ya” and it’s all V4 from there.

Now your back with another V2 with a lot of parts leftover from the 99s (it’s pretty much the same bike except for body work and electronics) WTF is that. Should have just kept the damn 1299 and adjusted the displacement as needed. The new V2 to me is an entry level sport bike that they already had. Not sure what the corp strategy was here.
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I know there is a lot of disdain for the V2 and especially the new Bayliss edition among the internet experts but I thought this was interesting background on the V2 from a Cycleworld article on the Bayliss:

“On the other hand, the Panigale V2 is a great bike that isn’t selling as well as it deserves to, and special editions are a tried-and-true way—especially in Italy—to stir up attention on a model that isn’t returning well on investment. And in the case of the Panigale V2, that investment was enormous. The original 1199 version was a daring statement on the ultimate potential of a V-twin; it was a totally new engine, sharing nothing with the 1198 Testastretta, and it cost a fortune. In World Superbike racing it didn’t bring home what it cost.

The 1199′s Legacy

When they were introduced, I had the great fortune of taking the 1199 and all its derivatives apart and checking every piece. That engine was the product of superb engineering and had potential to do anything Ducati wanted. But someone thought that it was time for a V-4. Today, the Panigale V2 still proves the greatness of that original project….”
 
1299rFE said:
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I think they had to develop the V4 to remain competitive within the class. Sounds like the V2 design had gone as far as it could go. So now modified WSBK rules will allow it to be competitive in a set of handicapped rules? Interesting concept to keep an older design and roots profitable and alive. BMW has had a huge success with the last generation of airhead boxers reincarnated as the R9T series. Having had the original vintage last airheads and then newer (and ever more expensive) oil heads that were stronger, faster etc, I have owned a R9T and the retro visceral experience of the older engine is still a hoot and plenty for the street. Maybe this is where Ducati is going with the whole V2 platform
 
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rac1ngsnak3 said:
Why hasn’t a manufacturer done this?
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600s are dead. It is virtually impossible to make a 600cc produce reasonable power while still maintaining Euro 5 standards. Emissions have been hitting 600s the hardest over the years, and with Euro 5 become official, they are abandoning the 600 altogether. Hence why you can no longer buy a street legal R6.

That's why Supertwins and middleweights have been becoming more popular for manufacturers. Easier for them to meet emissions standards and still have acceptable performance.
 
MaverickiB said:
600s are dead. It is virtually impossible to make a 600cc produce reasonable power while still maintaining Euro 5 standards. Emissions have been hitting 600s the hardest over the years, and with Euro 5 become official, they are abandoning the 600 altogether. Hence why you can no longer buy a street legal R6.

That's why Supertwins and middleweights have been becoming more popular for manufacturers. Easier for them to meet emissions standards and still have acceptable performance.
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Interesting insight. Why is it more difficult to meet emissions standards with a 600?
 
craig bush said:
Interesting insight. Why is it more difficult to meet emissions standards with a 600?
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I'm not 100 percent sure, but I've heard it has to do something with the way they generate power. Emissions standards, the way they are written, make it difficult to produce high-revving medium displacement motors. 600s basically get caught between categories and end up with difficult requirements to meet.
 
rac1ngsnak3 said:
You win some. You lose some. V4 hasn't done any better.

I'm all for them maximizing their investments into these engine platforms. The more successful Ducati is the better motorcycles will become. Same goes for other manufacturers. Competition is good for everyone.
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just as the free market !
 

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