Ducati Rumored to Ditch the Superquadro Engine and Replace It with a MotoGP-Derived V

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The new-generation superbikes are said to receive a more traditional architecture, based on an aluminium perimeter frame surrounding the new powerplant
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Blasphemy! Ohhh, say it ain't so!
 
like I keep saying, they'll sell it as the Desmosedici. It will most likely be a 90 degree version of an RSV4 - V-4 canted away from an L configuration and the perimeter frame that everyone else uses.

but look on the bright side - maybe they'll paint the frame red :)
 
Interview with the big man himself, in German though:
Interview mit Ducati-Boss Claudio Domenicali - Motorradnachrichten - MOTORRAD
MOTORRAD: Wird Ducati je wieder ein V4-Superbike bringen? Oder glauben Sie, dass weiterhin jeder von Ducatis Sportmotorrädern einen V2 erwartet?
Domenicali: Lassen Sie es mich so sagen: Wenn wir je wieder eine V4-Straßenmaschine bauen, dann werden wir wissen, wie das geht. Das haben wir mit der Desmosedici RR schon bewiesen. Doch im Augenblick haben wir ein hervorragendes Sportmotorrad mit traditionellem V2, die 1299 Panigale. Ich denke, das ist ein Modell, auf das Ducati stolz sein kann.
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Translated they ask if Ducati will make a V4 streetbike again or if het thinks that everybody wants/expects V2's.
Answer is kinda cryptic as he says if we do it then we'll know how it's done. We proved that with the Desmosedici RR. But for the moment we have the V2 1299 Panigale of which I think Ducati can be proud.

What get's me going is this however:
MOTORRAD: Na ja, dann würde sich eine nackte 1299 EVO Monster mit diesem wunderbaren Motor ja geradezu anbieten. Also warum nicht?
Domenicali: Ich habe nicht gesagt, dass wir so eine Maschine nicht bauen. Ich habe nur gesagt, dass wir jetzt nicht darüber sprechen
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They ask him why not make a 1299 EVO Monster(naked) with this great engine.
To which he answers, I didn't say we're not making it. I said we won't talk about it at this time.:eek:
 
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"As for the bikes themselves, having a 1,000cc engine inside a superbike instead of the current 1,199cc or 1,299cc displacement should also make them lighter, with a better power-to-weight ratio, and we all know what this variable can do..."

Ducatis will soon be so light airships will be filled with Ducatis instead of Helium. :cool:
 
Thats pure speculation from the website and not even true as I far as my untrained eye can see? The Panigale and it's v2 is lighter than any of the other superbikes that have v4 or il4 1000cc motors.
 
royal said:
Thats pure speculation from the website and not even true as I far as my untrained eye can see? The Panigale and it's v2 is lighter than any of the other superbikes that have v4 or il4 1000cc motors.
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Damn there goes my airship idea.
 
royal said:
Thats pure speculation from the website and not even true as I far as my untrained eye can see? The Panigale and it's v2 is lighter than any of the other superbikes that have v4 or il4 1000cc motors.
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The monocoque frame is a big part of what makes it so light, which according to this same article is something they'd be getting rid of.

I also think it's funny they are talking about a few hundred cc in the context of weight savings (maybe someone should tell them that the air doesn't weigh all that much =P)
 
An affordable "Desmosedici" for us mere mortals to tool around on and track. Not one single complaint here, not a single one.
 
I'm for it. 1199 is a twins limit in my mind. Yea you can make it "better" but your going to start sacrificing things to get there. I will always keep a Ducati twin in the garage for obvious reasons but as far as the future goes this needs to happen. V4s are nasty and I was ready to buy one before the 1198 came out and I'm still waiting.
 
Not again........
This thread reminds me of a thread I followed on Ducati.org back in 2011 when the first news of the Panigale was released.

Then, people referred to the 1x98 as the last "real" Ducati superbike; last of the trellis, dry clutch, belts and tractor torque...

Soon, I guess this means that people will refer to our 1x99 as the last "real" Ducati superbikes; last of the frameless, over square L-twin with super powers...

Joy!

I don't know about People, but I for one, traded my 1198 for the 1199, and I have every intention of trading the 1199 for whatever the next Ducati superbike will be. Be it another L-twin, or a V4, I really couldn't care less. As long as it's not an inline 4, it'll be Awesome!

:D
 
Speculation.

The bike doesn't need a V4 moving forward, the 15R/SL motor is insane.
Also I fail to see how a 999cc V4 would be lighter than the 1198cc superquadro L2.
 
sexparty said:
Speculation.

The bike doesn't need a V4 moving forward, the 15R/SL motor is insane.
Also I fail to see how a 999cc V4 would be lighter than the 1198cc superquadro L2.
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I can barely imagine what Ducati is capable of doing when they go to the next iteration of the R/Superleggera motor. Pretty sure 200 RWHP is more than achievable with a few tweaks here and there, plus better engine management electronics..... and by 200 RWHP, I mean in a street legal format... Lord knows what it could do in race trim.. :eek:
 
80shilling said:
I can barely imagine what Ducati is capable of doing when they go to the next iteration of the R/Superleggera motor. Pretty sure 200 RWHP is more than achievable with a few tweaks here and there, plus better engine management electronics..... and by 200 RWHP, I mean in a street legal format... Lord knows what it could do in race trim.. :eek:
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I got very close with very little actual modification - slip ons, air filter, and custom map. Maybe on a colder day it would have broke 200whp. Although, it does make me wonder - what dyno numbers has the $5000 Akra with built-in upmap produced?
 
kismetcapitan said:
I got very close with very little actual modification - slip ons, air filter, and custom map. Maybe on a colder day it would have broke 200whp. Although, it does make me wonder - what dyno numbers has the $5000 Akra with built-in upmap produced?
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The only figures I have seen for the full Akra with up map has been 192 RWHP, so basically identical to your results with Tuneboy plus Termi slipon.

I will get mine dynoed soon.. Here is where it stands right now:

Termi Carbon front exit slipon
Sprint P08 air filter
RapidBike Race module with 1299 specific map (not 1199 base map) with very safe ignition advance programmed in.

I expect between 185 and 190 RWHP .. Any more than 190 would be a shock, any less than 185 would be disappointing.

After getting it dynoed in that configuration, I will add the upcoming Sprint WSBK filter with P08 filtration material in it and I will have my tuner work on adding some ignition advance if the bike can take it. I will also have my race gas map ready and he will work on that as well. Once that work is done, we will see what the figures are.

I'm not looking for peak horsepower, but smoothness and throttle control.

Boys and their toys, right? Too much fun. :D
 
80shilling said:
I can barely imagine what Ducati is capable of doing when they go to the next iteration of the R/Superleggera motor. Pretty sure 200 RWHP is more than achievable with a few tweaks here and there, plus better engine management electronics..... and by 200 RWHP, I mean in a street legal format... Lord knows what it could do in race trim.. :eek:
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If I'm not mistaking there was a dyno stating 198bhp on the 15R so we know dynos differ but that's just about 200hp out the crate! So no need to tweak , it's already happening
 
The rumor that started here. It's no secret that for many races, you want a V4 or I4, not a twin. And if they want to stay frameless, then it'll have to be a V4, not an I4.

A V4 is the easy way out to more power. But the Panigale doesn't need more power, for us, not by a long shot. This would be an expensive halo product to keep Ducati on the cutting edge of motorsport and racing, not track days and mountain roads.

Likely a hard edged Desmosedici that's terrible on the street. Much like Honda's nuetered GP bike. $40,000+ easy.
 
Or it could be along the lines of the RSV4. It's quite possible to produce a relatively affordable V4. It doesn't HAVE to be a homologation-only special and Ducati doesn't have a history of producing only an uber-expensive version of a bike.
 

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