ECU Reflash

Has anyone tried this for their 1199 yet?

MW Tuning/Rexxer ECU Remap

Looks cool. Did you see if they are able to do a 1199 reflash??

They list the 1199 under the details tab. Interesting... Who wants to be the guinea pig?

Can you say "warranty void".

George Villar said:

Can you say "warranty void".

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Yes and no. US law says that it is the manufacturer's duty to prove that a mod caused the damage rather than a manufacturing defect. So with an ECU mod or reflash Ducati would have to show that detonation that destroyed your piston was caused by an ECU reflash error that alter A/F ratio or ignition timing that led to the detonation.

Obviously a defective headlight would still have to be covered even with an ECU flash, but tell that to a snarky service manager. He says that it's not covered and you've got to battle with Peggy at DNA.

My car has a reflash, but I can unflash it in about 7 minutes if I need to and the dealer would never know.

Does anyone know if that can be done with an 1199?

I wonder if they're just taking pre-orders? I can't imagine they've cracked the code that fast and come up with a marketable map already? I may give them a call tomorrow and see if I can get some info?

CHarles foxtrot said:

Yes and no. US law says that it is the manufacturer's duty to prove that a mod caused the damage rather than a manufacturing defect. So with an ECU mod or reflash Ducati would have to show that detonation that destroyed your piston was caused by an ECU reflash error that alter A/F ratio or ignition timing that led to the detonation.

Obviously a defective headlight would still have to be covered even with an ECU flash, but tell that to a snarky service manager. He says that it's not covered and you've got to battle with Peggy at DNA.

My car has a reflash, but I can unflash it in about 7 minutes if I need to and the dealer would never know.

Does anyone know if that can be done with an 1199?

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"...Your original map will be stored and can we change your ECU back and forth from stock to modified at any time at no charge. This re-flash does not affect any other functions of the ECU such as the Ducati Traction Control (DTC), warning code functions, etc. After the re-flash, you will need to reset the TPS. (Magnetti ECU's only)..." This doesn't make it sound like it's done via a simple plug-in up-map key?

The ECU isn't hard to crack. My guys did it in two days (in between real work) and they don't even know that it's used to control an engine (ok, i told them).

It's much better than previous ones but the programming is much more complex. Quite similar to what Ferrari uses.

The up-map key doesn't hold a map the it uploads to the ECU, it holds a digital key that unlocks a map bundle that was already stored. The dealer can upload updates to these map bundles.

There are three map bundles stored from stock. One for each exhaust that Ducati provides.
Each map bundle contains three engine maps, 120, 195 lo and 195 hi.
Each engine map contains twelve cylinder maps, one for each cylinder for each gear. Plus: throttle ratio and EBC.

I'm sure you can imagine how overwhelming this can look to someone who's oly been dealing with simple maps all their lives. I've built many race car engines with complex mapping (turbo) and have spoken with people who tune this kind of ECU, let me tell you that it's a lot more work IF YOU INTEND TO DO IT WELL and not cut corners. Some will cut corners and be satisfied with the results because it can be tuned as simply as the old method but that's just up to the end user to decide what level of expertise they want.

Since the ECU is made to accept map updates, there is a way to communicate with it without having to image (reflash) it. That would look like the dealer did it. The only thing we haven't found yet is how the dealer's workstation identifies itself so that could be cloned and therefore hide that someone else did it. I'm trying to vulgarize here to minimize the hacker talk.

Disclaimer: We will not develop maps for this, or any other ECU. We are an IT Security firm and we test systems, nothing more.

TheFrog said:

Disclaimer: We will not develop maps for this, or any other ECU. We are an IT Security firm and we test systems, nothing more.

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so how much does a new ECU cost? I bought one for my R1 and had that reflashed. If and when I need warranty work, I can swap the stock one back and reconnect the O2 sensor in less than 5 minutes prior to heading to the dealer.

No need to buy an ECU to cover your tracks. Tuners first copy the map that is on a bike and then just overwrite the table values they want to change. They always maintain the original, so they can go back to square one if things get corrupted. They want to avoid bricking an ECU if at all possible. They can always restore the values to whatever they were so no one can tell. Since the tuners are in the tables directly their activity is not logged, so once they change the values back to the original values there is no system record of the activity. There is probably some forensic routine that could be used to determine the tables had at one time been editied, but it is very unlikely there is anything in the Ducati service toolset that could tell.

If you want to buy an ECU, you want to get a Ducati race ECU and the associated tuning tools the factory uses. The race ECU exists, but is not orderable at this time. Ultimately you can expect the factory to sell their race ECU and tools to enable privateer teams to be as effective as possible with the bike on the track. At present the ECU and tools are limited to factory use. Lastly, you can expect the race ECU and tools to be pricey. I would think tens of thousands if not more......

In reading what they say carefully, I don't think they're remapping at all. They've just cracked how to switch between the three maps already on our bikes, and are charging us $300 to do that.

What I hope someone will do is create a new map, completely open circuit, flapper disabled with consistent fuelling around 13.0 or so throughout the rev and throttle range so that we don't have to put up with the BS imposed on us.

asainslie said:

In reading what they say carefully, I don't think they're remapping at all. They've just cracked how to switch between the three maps already on our bikes, and are charging us $300 to do that.

What I hope someone will do is create a new map, completely open circuit, flapper disabled with consistent fuelling around 13.0 or so throughout the rev and throttle range so that we don't have to put up with the BS imposed on us.

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It is easier for them to go this way, since the exsited 3 maps are ducati-many-hours tested to a level of confidence.
What you are asking if it is a 3rd party re-map may not exist even if it does, i don't think is tested proven with hours/days/months intensively. 1199 is new.

unless you have cash to burn and willing to make over whole system and you know what you are doing, try this...

MoTeC > Original ECUs > Models


The problem with always adding "new stuff" ,depend on level of complication,to your exsiting bike, you end up being the "test engineer/pilot" and your life is at risk.

Good luck.

rm4two said:

Has anyone tried this for their 1199 yet?

MW Tuning/Rexxer ECU Remap

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From your link, i don't think this magnetic marelli ECU supports ride-by-wire subsystem of the engine management.Current 1199 is using Melcos' or mitsubushi.
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RSR racer said:

so how much does a new ECU cost? I bought one for my R1 and had that reflashed. If and when I need warranty work, I can swap the stock one back and reconnect the O2 sensor in less than 5 minutes prior to heading to the dealer.

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Please be-careful in swapping 3rd party new ECU,the whole system is wired-up to several controllers, like the instrument panel, ABS, BBS(vehicle unit for suspension/exhaust control)...They may authenticate each other and detect a foreign ECU.

Consider the 3rd party ECU is really good to cheat the other controllers, i have a strange feeling, every ignition on/off count is recorded and swapping out the stock ECU and putting it back (after some time)to the system will have different count when compared to the other controllers.A tell tale sign you have put in some foreign ECU beforehand.

From Owner's manual, 1199-base-english-page90, one of the error that could be detected is "unknown device" or control unit not acknowleage by the system -Wrong SW.

Go for original even if race/evo from Ducati.

"RexXer user" ECU remapping for 1199 is available

Hello

"RexXer user" ECU remapping System is now out for Ducati 1199 Panigale.
Appropriate tuning mappings are available too.
costs: aprox $ 450.


general info: RexXer ECU-Tuning for 1199
mappings: Availabe RexXer Mappings


I have a RexXer remapping already on my Monster 1100 and I'am very happy with it.
Actually I'm expecting to hear the details from daniele-moto.de about the new motor characteristics they gave to the 1199.

"citius et fortius"

I contacted MotoWheels about this product/process. Got a response back from Matt. It sounds like you can't get back to stock map/flash without sending them your ECU again, therefore two ECU's may be in order if you don't want to possibly void your warranty?

1) Will this flash void my Ducati warranty?
2) If I have to bring the bike to the dealer for work will I have to send you my ECU first to have it re flashed back to stock?
3) If the remap is lost, short of sending the ECU to you guys again is there a way to get it back? Can it be saved to a flash drive and re-uploaded similar to the Termi upmaps?

"It’s really up to our dealer if they want to void your warrantee. The map shouldn’t ever get lost, there is not real way of doing that. I can’t send you the map because they re all part of my system here. You can send your ECU back to us to have it reverted back to its original state anytime."

Take a look at this english Video.
It explains how the Rexxer works and what he can do for you:
RexXer application video

If you buy the Rexxer user device and not only a mapping, you can load your original or custom mappings as often as you like by your self (it takes about 10 mins).
--> So there is no need to send the ECU to your dealer each time you want to change your Mapping.
The new mapping is delivered on a CD. Depending on the ECU the original mapping is included on a CD too or you've to make a backup by your self before you load a new one.
The Rexxer user device is able to handle this for you.

After the first time you connect the Rexxer to the ECU it is linked permanently to this ECU. The device can then not be reused for an other motorcycle.
Unless the manufacturer makes a reset for you.

The manufacturer promises better driveability, more torque at low and medium rpm and better throttle response.
I ordered the unit. I'm curious how it will work.

rm4two said:

I contacted MotoWheels about this product/process. Got a response back from Matt. It sounds like you can't get back to stock map/flash without sending them your ECU again, therefore two ECU's may be in order if you don't want to possibly void your warranty?

1) Will this flash void my Ducati warranty?
2) If I have to bring the bike to the dealer for work will I have to send you my ECU first to have it re flashed back to stock?
3) If the remap is lost, short of sending the ECU to you guys again is there a way to get it back? Can it be saved to a flash drive and re-uploaded similar to the Termi upmaps?

"It's really up to our dealer if they want to void your warrantee. The map shouldn't ever get lost, there is not real way of doing that. I can't send you the map because they re all part of my system here. You can send your ECU back to us to have it reverted back to its original state anytime."

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If I install a device that makes this bike run properly, and am denied warranty work, Ducati is going to see one serious fight. If they don't want us doing this, they should come up with a solution themselves.
As another member here suggested, this can be a dangerous issue when this thing starts acting up in a corner.
I've had 2 other Ducati's, 2 MV Agustas, 2 R1's, a GSXR 1K, a RC51, a GSXR 750, numerous GSXR 1100's, a ZX10 and several Harley's and have never had a running issue like this thing.

Thinking of doing the Rexxer with Termi slip... anyone done this yet???? Feedback??