First impressions of the Pani on track...

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So, this weekend we got the first taste of the Panigale PRO Superbike on track. And it was "interesting" to say the least...

I had really high hopes for this bike. Just rolling it around the workshop, and loading it into the transporter, you can really feel that it's different from all the other bikes I have raced. If feels extremely light and nible, and it feels really small in size. Being, well.. not short but... Should we say "below average height", this is actually the first bike that I am able to reach the ground with both feet on. :)

This weekend was a noice emission test at a track just 200km from home. Due to harder noice pollution regulations over here, there are extremely hard regulations regarding the noice our bikes can generate on track. To give us riders and teams a chance to adapt, they are oranising a number of "noice emission test days" at all the tracks. They are free, but extremely limited tracktime since there are only 2 bikes allowed in track at the same time, spaced half a lap apart. But pretty good for a first outing on a brand new bike. There was no time to work on settings, so we used the base settings recommended, and saw this as a good opportunity just to iron out all of the small issues of a new bike.

So what was the first impressions of the Pani?

We'll start with the positive.
The bike is extremely light and agile. Flicking it from side to side is really effortless, and it turns really well even though we didn't work on the settings at all. The enine is really powerful, actually more than I thought it would be. It pulls really good from the bottom, but really comes alive a lot at the top end. Almost like an in-line four actually. The seat is pretty close to the handlebars, which is perfect for me, and I can rest the back of my ass on the rear end of the seat without moving around too much or stretching my arms out to much. I had some problems with that on previous bikes, so we had to modify the seat a bit on those.


And the negatives?
Well, there was some issues with the ergonomics. Position of the footpegs, shift lever, and brake lever. But that is relatively simple to solve. We just have to manufacture some small parts, and a new bracket for the left/shift side. This is all straight forward on a new bike.

But the throttle.. My god the throttle... It is horrible... There is a huge ammount of free play, both laterally and vertically. It feels loose and rattles around. And there is a really "long" turn from 0-100% thottle. There is also A LOT of free play in the turn of the throttle (from 0-1% throttle).

The "ride-by-wire" also gives the thottle a horrible feel to it, and quite hard to make the smooth throttle opening out of the turns.

The ignition/tuning also makes the throttle response very on/off, and in combination with the horrible feel of the throttle, its really bad. Its extremely hard to be smooth with the throttle when you start applying some throttle going into the corners... But this will be sorted out by tuning the ECU, no doubt...



The different engine characteristics will take some getting used to when jumping on this bike after racing in-line fours for 12 years. There was a number of times when I thought to myslef, "Damn, it's not pulling anymore" and then looked down at the dash that was just going crazy and blinking red all over the place, and realizing that I was on the revlimiter... Its really hard to go just by ear, so maybe we'll get a bigger shiftlight until I get used to it... LOL.

So, there are a couple of small issues to iron out, and I have to adapt and adjust my riding a bit, but this bike really has an awesome potential. It's gonna be a hard, but fun season...
 
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Oh, and some pics of the bike. Sorry, no on-track action...
 

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All loaded up and ready to go... Damn, she's got a nice ass that italian girl...
 

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Hi Macke,

good to see you here... :)

you know i fully agree with the view on the throttle. It is all but smooth and well made.
i have found it very hard to squeeze to 100% without re-gripping which makes it even worse. The AIM data shows this as i almost never hit 100% throttle opening..

the few times i did manage to get to that point, the difference in pull and kick was really big. I know that the tuning gave my bike a quantum leap in low down pull but still not using the 8bhp diff over 8K is stupid..

i tried to solve this problem by having Moto Rapido make a RS throttle ( 60° turn instead of the 67° stock) for the Mitsubishi Ecu. this proved to be impossible without days of programming and overriding a long list of safety features, something MR wasn't willing to do. A decision i appreciate.

However a solution seems to be in the making now that the EVO class is under development and already running. not many evo's are out there . Althea and Barni are the only ones that come to mind. But these Evo's carry the SSTK Mitsubishi ecu and carry the same RS Magnetti throttle, albeit with a Mitsubishi software setup.. :)

i m sure that such throttles will be available further down this season.. i do reackon it will take the SSTK based ecu to run it..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uXTIP5G6Ic

shows Canepa on his EVO bike and at +/- 3:25 - ish you can see how little distance he has to twist his throttle... :)

how on earth do you cope with noise emmisions?
 
Thanks for posting. I too want to hear further thoughts as you put more time in on type.
 
How dit it go for you with the nice emmissions, any db numbers?
I ´m struggling with the same issue since i ´m gonna ride on the same tracks here in Sweden. So i ´m very curious how you plan to manage 95 db with the Pani!
 
First couple of runs was with the Termignoni full titanium system, and no db-killers. We got readings between 97,1 db and 102,3 db when meassuring the "fly-by" noice emission.

Last couple of sessions we did with the same system, and with the db-killers mounted. And the preliminary results was between 96db and 97db "fly-by". But the exact numbers wasn't printed before we had to leave, so the will be sent to us by e-mail in the beginning of this week.

Next thing to try is the MWR air filters that should dampen the intake noice. We are also looking at some way to dampen the noice from the engine itself. Had a quick look at the japan version of the Panigale, where they have different engine casings mounted. When meassuring the static noice, the engine makes almost more noice than the exhausts...

But after that... Well... Who knows...
 
You easily remap the throttle and pin it for a shorter throttle throw. I am having mine done at Ducati Westlake. They did the mod on their race bike and it feels perfect no slack and a shorter throttle throw.
 
That means the reprogramming of 100% throttle setting to the 90% or 60° actual opening? ..
Stupid thing is that the RS throttle actually is a hypermotard throttle with different spring ...
 
First couple of runs was with the Termignoni full titanium system, and no db-killers. We got readings between 97,1 db and 102,3 db when meassuring the "fly-by" noice emission.

Last couple of sessions we did with the same system, and with the db-killers mounted. And the preliminary results was between 96db and 97db "fly-by". But the exact numbers wasn't printed before we had to leave, so the will be sent to us by e-mail in the beginning of this week.

Next thing to try is the MWR air filters that should dampen the intake noice. We are also looking at some way to dampen the noice from the engine itself. Had a quick look at the japan version of the Panigale, where they have different engine casings mounted. When meassuring the static noice, the engine makes almost more noice than the exhausts...

But after that... Well... Who knows...

Sounds noice . Hope you sort out the noise issue .
 
We got the throttle slop out with a threaded post that was inserted. The results are amazing and eliminates the slop. Very helpful.

I too wish the throw wasn't as long as it is and with Kope in that I've not heard of a remedy without serious electronic changes... Not sure what Westlake is doing, but they must be one of the few that can figure that out and look forward to hearing how.

If you need any ideas, shoot me a PM.
 
That means the reprogramming of 100% throttle setting to the 90% or 60° actual opening? ..
Stupid thing is that the RS throttle actually is a hypermotard throttle with different spring ...

That would be my guess. They have been doing that on drive-by-wire cars for years now. I've had the throttle opening advanced on several BMW's and it's a common mod on diesel trucks.
 
That would be my guess. They have been doing that on drive-by-wire cars for years now. I've had the throttle opening advanced on several BMW's and it's a common mod on diesel trucks.

I would be very disappointed if my Logitech G27 PC Steering wheel uses more advanced software than my 1199. Since it's "throttle" is adjustable.

"Increase the DEADZONE if you feel the throttle is pressed too easily.
Decrease the SATURATION if you feel the throttle in not sensitive enough."

Sometimes they even throw in non-linear ramp rates.

With Fly-by-wire Ducati could include a sub-menu to allow customization.
 
I would be very disappointed if my Logitech G27 PC Steering wheel uses more advanced software than my 1199. Since it's "throttle" is adjustable.

"Increase the DEADZONE if you feel the throttle is pressed too easily.
Decrease the SATURATION if you feel the throttle in not sensitive enough."

Sometimes they even throw in non-linear ramp rates.

With Fly-by-wire Ducati could include a sub-menu to allow customization.

Maybe it will be available for the next model that replaces the 1199;)
I should imagine we'll only have to wait another 12 months or so.
 

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