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If I was going again tomorrow I'd still ride the novice group. I want to get some formal education before bumping up a group.

There was another guy there who I kept talking to who was on a Ducati Speciale. Him and his son would alternate on it. We'd talk between sessions and more or less reached the same conclusion about body position and how important it was to getting the bike to turn how you wanted.
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Training. ya. You can't believe how much it will make things more fun.
I found a group recently who is all about riding positions for example. The first thing he said was, these bikes are next generation. You need to ride them differently than the Keith Code type thinking from 10 years ago. It's very 10 years ago. That's where I think I was when I bought mine. I'm learning some stuff that's blowing my mind and increasing my abilities, making everything easier - and that all comes down to making it SO MUCH MORE FUN. How much is that worth? $500 of training > $1000 in mods.
 
How much is that worth? $500 of training > $1000 in mods.

I'd argue $500 in training is worth much more in mods. Software over hardware every time.

I got kind of turned off to some of Keith Code's stuff when I saw the chicken strip video, which to be fair has to be 20 years old now. The idea of taking newer riders and have them chase lean angle on the street is a recipe for disaster.
 
I agree on the coaching front but you have to take into account your overall experience, seems a lot of guys in the states in particular get litrebikes really early on and that is hard learning curve. Anyone who has jumped to high power bikes without doing the yards could do a lot worse than getting a 400 and taking a few steps back to go forwards, its just much easier to work on the various elements of riding well on a small bike and its fun! The average rider is so far away from GP level its a joke, yet the bikes we ride can get within seconds of their laptime, anyone that cosplays MotoGP without the buckets of talent or years of high level competition is going to end up chucking their 50k toy down the road, not fun for the wallet or the bod.
 
You can always put the bike into low power mode and ride it like a 250. Sure you have 100 lb extra weight. But weight is a sign of reliability…

43 year old me is by extension more reliable that 34 year old me by an easy 16%.

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There's this odd thing outside of the US where you have to start on small bikes and graduate to bigger ones. Its kind of an overreach of government IMO. The first two wheel machine I rode was a 5 HP mini-bike with only a rear scrub brake. Then was a 2-cycle scooter thing, I can't even remember what it was. Total chick magnet though. I gave just about ever girl in my subdivision a ride on it at one time or another. Then a YZ80 dirtbike. That thing was a demon. By the time I revisited my two wheel needs, I was in my thirties. I had no debt and was looking for a hobby. I bought a CBR 600 RR and learned a lot on that bike until it got totaled. I was rear ended at a stop light. Someone mentioned that they thought it was a Ducati from a distance, because it was all red. I thought Ducati was some unobtainable brand, but when I started looking they weren't that much more than a comparable 1000cc bike. Went to the local Ducati dealer. A sales guy, who was the GM I think, walked up and asked "What do you ride?" What a good way to start a conversation. He showed me an 1199. I sat on it and loved it. He asked if I ever heard a Ducati, and I said no. He took me across the street to they warehouse, and even showed me a 1199 SL they were prepping for some rich guy who just wanted it for a living room ornament. He started a 899 for me. I bought the 1199 some weeks later after getting paid on the CBR by the other guys insurance.

All of that to say is that none of it should be legislated by the government. I think the vast majority of riders have a similar kind of stepping up that I did. If someone wants to YOLO 50k on a bike and toss it into a tree without exercising common sense, that's on them.
 
43 year old me is by extension more reliable that 34 year old me by an easy 16%.

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There's this odd thing outside of the US where you have to start on small bikes and graduate to bigger ones. Its kind of an overreach of government IMO. The first two wheel machine I rode was a 5 HP mini-bike with only a rear scrub brake. Then was a 2-cycle scooter thing, I can't even remember what it was. Total chick magnet though. I gave just about ever girl in my subdivision a ride on it at one time or another. Then a YZ80 dirtbike. That thing was a demon. By the time I revisited my two wheel needs, I was in my thirties. I had no debt and was looking for a hobby. I bought a CBR 600 RR and learned a lot on that bike until it got totaled. I was rear ended at a stop light. Someone mentioned that they thought it was a Ducati from a distance, because it was all red. I thought Ducati was some unobtainable brand, but when I started looking they weren't that much more than a comparable 1000cc bike. Went to the local Ducati dealer. A sales guy, who was the GM I think, walked up and asked "What do you ride?" What a good way to start a conversation. He showed me an 1199. I sat on it and loved it. He asked if I ever heard a Ducati, and I said no. He took me across the street to they warehouse, and even showed me a 1199 SL they were prepping for some rich guy who just wanted it for a living room ornament. He started a 899 for me. I bought the 1199 some weeks later after getting paid on the CBR by the other guys insurance.

All of that to say is that none of it should be legislated by the government. I think the vast majority of riders have a similar kind of stepping up that I did. If someone wants to YOLO 50k on a bike and toss it into a tree without exercising common sense, that's on them.

Ya in Italy for example, by law when you're 14 you can start riding 50CC Scooters. When you're 16 you can ride 125 moto, and test into a 250moto at 18. There are driver's licenses for each. You can not get a car driver's license until you're 18, the test is really intense and the first year is under supervision only. Tell me this is not better in every way.
ALMOST EVERYONE learns to ride a moto or scooter for years before they can drive a car! The 16 year old learn how to fk'ing rail their 125s. Small steps.
Result, most people driving cars love motorcycles and watch out for them.
Almost everyone scoots over to let motos by on windy roads. ....... awesome.
IMO the US system is a little insane. A one eye'd monkey can get a driver's license for a 2 ton truck with a V8 at 16 yrs. The crash statistics speak volumes.
I only crashed twice when I was 16. ;P

Other Italian notables : You can pay a small fee to raise the legal blood alcohol level from 1/2 glass to 2 glasses of wine. hahahhaa a That's nuts!
That said the legal limit of blood AL on moto is 0.00%
 
I disagree with SP, traffic laws are there to protect everyone. Just because you can does not mean you should, using your logic why bother with speed limits, seat belts or drink drive laws. They are all in place to prevent needless loss of life and the trauma it causes to everyone involved. I am not suggesting cotton wool but a graduated licensing program is generally accepted as a pretty good idea. Start out small and learn skills then as you progress get the weapon of your dreams.
 

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hah, pretty sure all the 107+ ci cruisers are skewing that stat... what we should be looking at are inline 4s 600 vs 1000cc... not sure there will be an appreciable difference even there
 
Anyone can start out on whatever bike they want. It doesn't mean they're gonna wreck or die. They may not be as refined of a rider as someone who gradually increased in CC's but as long as you have respect for the power these bikes have, the rest is no big deal. High speed would be a bigger concern for me over engine size. A 250 can get up in speed. How you handle a bike at speed would be almost the same risk, maybe even safer on these newer big bikes due to electronic aids.

If you can afford the bike and insurance, get whatever bike that gives you a hard on.
 
I traded in a baby ninja for a ducati many years ago ... on my way down I was super uncomfortable ... the ninja found every rut in the road and caught every gust of wind whether it was coming from a semi or just generally blowing. the duc on the other hand felt like it was from the future. super stable great brakes etc etc.
 
I was hoping I could make this event, but ended up having other obligations last weekend. Putnam was the first track I ever rode a bike on as well.

Here's Matt Carr demonstrating the right way to get a V4 around Putnam:

 
Exiting turn ten at 110 MPH. I watched every Putnam Park Ducati video I could but instantly forgot all of it. After our first lap the Novice group had a quick check in with the instructors to get some feedback. When he said the advanced group takes turn one at over 100 MPH everyone started laughing. I think we did it at 50-60 MPH.

Baby steps.

If Matt Carr was the guy doing tech inspections, which think it was because he kept referring to Bill Carr as dad, he has to be one of the most chill, laid back dudes on the planet.
 
They’re good?

I’ve had good luck with the Tough Jug.


@craig bush I got one of the Ripper tops to use with a VP racing can. What gas cap do you use? It doesn't work with the OEM one since there isn't enough room with it hinged back.
 
Going to do my first track day this summer. I'm kind of fed up and bored with street riding. I have a SUV which can tow a max of 3500lbs. How do you guys like to get your bike to the track? Toy hauler, motorcycle trailer or a hitch carrier?

The closest track is 233 miles away, so about 3.5 to 4 hours.

I don't want to wake up at 2am and make the drive to arrive at the start time (track is in a different time zone, so that's a 7am arrival). Which means I'd be camping at the track, which I haven't really looked into, or staying at a hotel. Would you trust your bike on a U-Haul trailer at a Holiday Inn? I'd take as much as I could gear wise into the room so its secure. It would be a shame to get a $1k race suit stolen, or a $30k Panigale for that matter.

I saw that you can rent toy haulers and RVs through sites like rvshare.com but have no experience doing that.

I guess most of my questions are logistics related. Getting the bike and myself to the track and managing gear and other needs along the way. How do you guys best prefer to sort that stuff out?

The track I'm going to has garage space for an extra $50, which I'll happily pay. I suppose its still a good idea to bring a pop-up canopy just in case.

Oh my god hahaha you’re a novice rider! This is amazing. I thought you might have been speaking this wisdom of track riding because you actually had some experience hahahaha this just gets better and better 🤣 You probably ride round with your hazards flashing when you come into a chicane 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Absolutely golden. Here here everybody let’s listen to the pro racer giving strong advice not to ever ride your bike anywhere if it has a slight fault 🤣🤣
 
Oh my god hahaha you’re a novice rider! This is amazing. I thought you might have been speaking this wisdom of track riding because you actually had some experience hahahaha this just gets better and better 🤣 You probably ride round with your hazards flashing when you come into a chicane 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Absolutely golden. Here here everybody let’s listen to the pro racer giving strong advice not to ever ride your bike anywhere if it has a slight fault 🤣🤣

What it looks like when a 16 year old girl trolls a motorcycle forum using dad’s account. lol
 
I used to haul my 848 and 1198 with one of those.
The V4 is only 436 lbs wet weight. Never had an issue, though they move a little when you hit bumps. haha It's a little nervous watching it in the rear view but they work fine.
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I have one of these also. I found it useful to shorten the piece that goes into the hitch and redrilling the hole. Lessens the moment on the hitch. I've used mine a bunch (mainly for dirtbikes) but i've also used it for my monster and 1198.
 

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