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Exciting suspenseful race yesterday, Jorge finally came through for Ducati. if a miracle happens in Valencia and Dovi wins while MM crashes or blows up, then Ducati's huge investment in Lorenzo'o salary will have paid off.
And how about Dovi? I don't know if he changed his brand of cigars, got a new girlfriend or what, After 10 years as an also ran with one win in Moto GP he's on 6!!!!! this year??????
 
Exciting suspenseful race yesterday, Jorge finally came through for Ducati. if a miracle happens in Valencia and Dovi wins while MM crashes or blows up, then Ducati's huge investment in Lorenzo'o salary will have paid off.

And how about Dovi? I don't know if he changed his brand of cigars, got a new girlfriend or what, After 10 years as an also ran with one win in Moto GP he's on 6!!!!! this year??????



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The message which appeared on Lorenzo's dashboard (and thanks to demands by Dorna, live on TV screens around the world) read "SUGGESTED MAPPING: MAPPING 8". Was it Lorenzo's cue to move over and make way for Dovizioso? Or was it literally just a suggestion to switch to an engine mapping more suited to the latter stages of a soaking wet Sepang race? Perhaps the best way to figure that out is to go back over the events of the race, and what the protagonists said afterwards.


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I think the fact that Lorenzo nearly biffed it pretty much makes any conspiracy theories of team orders a moot point.
 
One of the biggest changes for Dovi has been his mental approach. He said that was his biggest change this year. I assume he is working with a sports psychologist.

Dovi also said that Lorenzo's arrival also changed the way Ducati addressed issues with the bike. He said that Lorenzo's complaints were the same as those he an Ianonne had and now Ducati took them seriously and acted on them.
 
who else could possibly be there besides marquez and dovi? lets be real here for a moment (i know the OP will automatically claim my bias from my history of bashing rossi) but here are how i see things and im trying to be super objective since i really do like dovi and this has nothing really to do with rossi

1. most importantly MM has had 3 DNF thats 75 points thrown out the window while i wouldnt say if he never crashed but an engine failure is a different story if that never happened we wouldnt even be talking right now.
2. yamaha hasnt been in it since way back when you know when mavericks tire was "voted" away. (wonder why)
3 satalite teams lol give me a break it goes right up there when a non factory guy wins a race in the rain but whatever.
4. danny as much as i like him and respect his accomplishments hes finished.

that leaves Marc marquez and ducati. Jorge didnt have a shot this year and dovi has been very consistant.

2 weeks and we will have the answer either something crazy happens and dovi gets the nod or marquez wins it again. we shall see
 
I thought Ducati also took Rossi's complaints seriously.

what does that even mean? if you are referring to the time rossi was at ducati he only set them back about 3 years lol. the guy that ducati didnt listen to is the only man to ever have success on a ducati gp machine. you remember him right casey stoner. just so happens he is the test rider for them now. everything he said about tires ended up being true and everything he said about the honda ended up being true.

funny though jorge is gone and the one man that has input at yamaha well we know where yamaha is now bwhahaha. so much for legendary development.
 
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I think the fact that Lorenzo nearly biffed it pretty much makes any conspiracy theories of team orders a moot point.

I agree, that was a great save, not really something anyone would do for show, going for a win in a moto gp race. Dovi legitimately ran Lorenzo down, and Jorge did not press the repass.
 
I agree, that was a great save, not really something anyone would do for show, going for a win in a moto gp race. Dovi legitimately ran Lorenzo down, and Jorge did not press the repass.

JLO knew what the situation was if he didnt almost eat it he would have let dovi by. he said it previously (i will help dovi where i can) and hinted to it in the press conference after.

there is nothing wrong with that IMO as they are a "team" .

when JLO almost ate it he never pressed the issue again was it because he couldnt or he wouldnt. doesnt really matter either way. 18 races comes down to one 45 min session you cant ask for too much more
 
I was never a huge fan of JLo, but I always admired his work ethic. Whether it's his inputs, Stoners or all of the above, I believe with proper testing in the off season JLo will have a good chance of success next year and hopefully Dovi gains an even higher edge over the contenders.
 
JLO knew what the situation was if he didnt almost eat it he would have let dovi by. he said it previously (i will help dovi where i can) and hinted to it in the press conference after.

there is nothing wrong with that IMO as they are a "team" .

when JLO almost ate it he never pressed the issue again was it because he couldnt or he wouldnt. doesnt really matter either way. 18 races comes down to one 45 min session you cant ask for too much more

Agreed. If Lorenzo had stayed in front and then pulled over on the straight on the last lap and let Dovi by, I think you and I would both agree that "Of course he did, Ducati is trying to win the Championship" but there would be a 5 page thread discussing if it was the "right" or "wrong" thing to do, which we can now not waste our time on because it didn't happen! ;)
 
no matter what you think of various riders and manufacturers it is interesting that with JLo's move to Ducati they have improved and Yamaha has got worse. Maybe just coincidence but having a good development rider in a team is an essential asset. Ducati do have stoner as well I guess.

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Yamaha was worse last year. What did they go, 9 races without a win? That's half the season. They've just progressively been worse this year, much like Honda going to the 800s. They have not done a good job adapting to Michelins.
 
what does that even mean? if you are referring to the time rossi was at ducati he only set them back about 3 years lol. the guy that ducati didnt listen to is the only man to ever have success on a ducati gp machine. you remember him right casey stoner. just so happens he is the test rider for them now. everything he said about tires ended up being true and everything he said about the honda ended up being true.

funny though jorge is gone and the one man that has input at yamaha well we know where yamaha is now bwhahaha. so much for legendary development.

It means after Rossi Preziosi was fired. After Rossi they rebuilt the desmo from the ground up. It means Gigi was hired and completely restructured the way the race department runs. Say what you will, Rossi failing on the desmo was the final straw to convince Ducati that they needed to change course.

Ducati didn't listen to Stoner. They didn't listen to Hayden either. They didn't listen to Rossi. Preziosi thought he knew better what a rider needs to go fast than the riders did. He was wrong.

It took a failure of the magnitude of Rossi's to catalyze change. Rossi is the name that changed the way Ducati approached GP racing.
 
Yamaha was worse last year. What did they go, 9 races without a win? That's half the season. They've just progressively been worse this year, much like Honda going to the 800s. They have not done a good job adapting to Michelins.

was worse last year lets recap shall we. JLO won the 15 championship with one of the best season ever by a rider. he lead every category, laps lead, wins, poles, points, basically any area you could want him to win he won. 2016 came along and JLo again was in the drivers seat pre season. magically his tire of choice was taken away for a harder option. dont take my word for it look it up. problem is the harder option was not only rossi tire of choice it was marquez tire of choice and so MM went on to win. Yamaha didnt have a shot once Jlo lost that tire as we know rossi only avg 1 win a year. what was yamaha to do? 2017 maverick couldnt be touched. MM said maverick is amazingly fast. he dominated every pre season test for the upcoming year end 2016 and begining 2017. maverick went on to win 3 of the first 5 races. then something happned. them damn tires again. oh and a chassis too. maverick hasnt done anything since AND rossi got his 1 win for the season. marquez another title.
 
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It means after Rossi Preziosi was fired. After Rossi they rebuilt the desmo from the ground up. It means Gigi was hired and completely restructured the way the race department runs. Say what you will, Rossi failing on the desmo was the final straw to convince Ducati that they needed to change course.

Ducati didn't listen to Stoner. They didn't listen to Hayden either. They didn't listen to Rossi. Preziosi thought he knew better what a rider needs to go fast than the riders did. He was wrong.

It took a failure of the magnitude of Rossi's to catalyze change. Rossi is the name that changed the way Ducati approached GP racing.

have to disagree with you on that. rossi and more importantly burgess said they can fix the ducati in 30 seconds till rossi got on stoners bike after valencia and was 3 seconds slower then stoner. they brought in the bike rossi gave up before it even started.
he didnt develop a thing for them. much like he hasnt helped yamaha since Jlo left.
lets see if and when they listen to 25 who has won more this year on the yamaha than rossi has in the last 2 years combined. lets see how long the bs love fest in the yamaha box lasts too. lets see how many good riders want to be in the box with 46. i would guess not many.
 
from speedweek.de:

Valentino Rossi in Valencia: revenge on Márquez?
By Günther Wiesinger - 31.10.2017 05:09
"Márquez says yes, he did nothing in 2015. I'll say the same thing, "grinned Valentino Rossi, when he was asked if he would meddle in the title fight at the final.
The ghosts of the past you never get rid of. Sometimes they sleep in hiding places, and one is inclined to believe that they no longer exist.

But often they come back to the daylight at an unexpected moment.

Let's go back to the crucial phase of the 2015 MotoGP season.

Two years ago Valentino Rossi scented a conspiracy, a «biscotto ». He told journalists the day before the first Malaysian GP training session that Lorenzo and Márquez had teamed up in Australia on Sunday before saying that the Honda star had not in the least resisted the overtaking maneuver of Rossi's then-team-mate Lorenzo. And thus the World Cup events influenced.

The rest is official.

Marc Márquez confirmed his innocence and three days later gave the answer on the racetrack. The race brought the famous "Sepang Clash".

Marc Márquez did not care at all about his chances to win, he let his teammate Dani Pedrosa in the race and drive away, but prevented Rossi by constant overtaking maneuvers in the pursuit of championship opponent Lorenzo.

At some point Rossi had had enough, the Italian Rossi lost his patience and nerves, he drove Márquez in a right turn so far out to the edge of the track until it slipped in the dirt and crashed.

Pedrosa won ahead of Lorenzo and Rossi, but Rossi got a penalty for irresponsible driving. At first he was even accused of helping Márquez to overthrow, but the film footage from the helicopter perspective provided no proof. The charge was not upheld.

Because of these four penalty points (Rossi had one at home in Misano, when he destroyed Lorenzo a fast lap), he had to start at the final in Valencia from the last position, he was only fourth - and Lorenzo with 330 to 225 points world champion.

Lorenzo triumphantly stuck his thumbs down on the podium in Sepang 2015, a gesture directed against his opponent and team-mate Rossi. A derailment.

And then Lorenzo openly demanded that Rossi be disqualified for third place because the four penalty points are too low a penalty. In any case, they meant the end of Rossi's title dream anyway.

With this action, Lorenzo built the future at Yamaha.

Four months later, his defiant transfer to Ducati was fact.

After last Sunday's Sepang GP, of course, the question was raised as to whether Valentino Rossi might now take revenge at this year's World Cup final in Valencia on 12 November.

A Spanish journalist sensed misfortune for the Valencia GP after Ducati had already teamed up to prevent the first Lorenzo win at the Desmosedici in Malaysia to keep the World Cup decision open.

But Rossi has long since buried the hatchet against Marc Márquez. One shook hands sometime in 2016, they respect each other again.

Nevertheless, Valentino could not resist a faint hint of cynicism. "What did Márquez do in Sepang two years ago? And in Phillip Island? Explain that to me! He always stressed that he did not do anything. So I will not do anything, "said Rossi on Sunday with a big grin.

"Joking aside. I'm going to race my own, as I've always done in my career, "added Rossi.

For Rossi, the Sepang episode of 2015 is past. He looks to the future, he is only fourth in the world and has to make his bike competitive for 2018. That is his primary goal.

In the title fight, he will not seriously interfere. If Andrea Dovizioso (21 points behind Márquez) does not win, the title is decided in favor of Márquez anyway. And with a Dovi victory, an eleventh place is enough to win the title.

"Also in Valencia, we can once again experience six, seven podium candidates. And I still have to improve, "said Rossi, who did not get past No. 7 in the rain in Malaysia.

The Movistar Yamaha factory driver and 115-time GP winner hopes for a dry race in Valencia. «In the dry FP3 on Saturday I felt good in Sepang on the M1. I also had a good lap in qualifying. But the M1 has not changed since Silverstone. Since then we only did fine tuning. And now we have to think very carefully about what the right decisions for the development of 2018 should look like. "

- Mehr bei SPEEDWEEK: Valentino Rossi in Valencia: Revanche an Márquez?/MotoGP SPEEDWEEK
 
i love this phil. i also love to recap as all this has ALREADY happened. lets look at 2015 australia shall we.

1 Marc marquez won the damn race. so how did he help lorenzo as he beat him

2 if rossi would have beat danni at aragon there would have been no story. instead he couldnt and said to danny why were you racing so hard. i guess he assumed everybody should get out of his way.

3 if rossi would have beat iaonne remember that? things would have been different but rossi couldnt beat iaonne couldnt but lorenzo and put him away when he was having problems and KNEW he would blow the lead cause he just cant win a race. UCCIO makes up a story he tries to blame marquez for winning again marquez won the race and jorge wins the title.

bottom line is if rossi could have won a little more when MM was crashing and Jlo was having problems valencia wouldnt have mattered. However the guy cant win races so he and his crew make up stories and we have what we have now.

as far as rossi playing with marquez whatever i know MM isnt worried and all he has to do is finish 11 or better. i know rossi is use to being in that area of the field but marquez wont be there. :D
 
the author writes
the rest is official
Marc Márquez did not care at all about his chances to win, he let his teammate Dani Pedrosa in the race and drive away, but prevented Rossi by constant overtaking maneuvers in the pursuit of championship opponent Lorenzo.

who writes this nonsense? who said marquez didnt care about his chances to win? the author? was he talking to marquez or in his brain? or was the author a sore rossi fan and made that up. he prevented rossi by constantly making overtaking maneuvers. really? if rossi was faster he would have left marquez behind. ive read a lot of stupid things about the 2015 season but this one takes the cake.
 
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Oh please God, not ANOTHER rant about how .... Rossi is, in the same vein as previously dull threads touting that he shouldn't be in the team, past his sell by date...blah blah blah. Jesus somebody change the record. We've all read this, been there, got the T-shirt.
 

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