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Looking to swap to Ohlins front forks?
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it's simple
when on roads, lighten the marzocchi springs which is said to be way to hard
when on track, go full FGRT203 and TTX rear. Why spend that money on bhp and performance and then go nibble over 1K on the most important thing of your bike: suspension... if you can't invest the extra 1K you should really ask yourself what the you're doing track riding... it will chew that amount on tires and maintanance in 3 trackdays...
there is nothing so costly in the end of doing stuff in the "3 step shuffle"
this mainly due to : labour, logistics and stuff you can't get ridd off and then clutter your garage...
just my 5 cents...
when on roads, lighten the marzocchi springs which is said to be way to hard
when on track, go full FGRT203 and TTX rear. Why spend that money on bhp and performance and then go nibble over 1K on the most important thing of your bike: suspension... if you can't invest the extra 1K you should really ask yourself what the you're doing track riding... it will chew that amount on tires and maintanance in 3 trackdays...
there is nothing so costly in the end of doing stuff in the "3 step shuffle"
this mainly due to : labour, logistics and stuff you can't get ridd off and then clutter your garage...
just my 5 cents...
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Best money spent is learning to ride the thing properly .
The standard set up is actually really good I think there will be few that out ride this bike in standard form .
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Most people can't out ride stock 600ss, but putting a custom touch to get more comfortable and confident can make you enjoy the Bike more, not necessarily outride the equipment.
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am i the only person that thinks the stock forks function properly?
I think they are good but are they good enough for everyone? Probable not since we have a wide range of riders on this forums. From beginners to advance riders, light to heavy riders, and passive to aggressive riders, some care or dont care about feel and feedback. The Suspension setup or type of suspension is different for each person and is the foundation to a any bike. I've seen 600's with proper suspension setups run circles around liter bikes without proper suspension setup. The more confidant and comfortable you get with your suspension the faster and better you will ride. The suspension is key when tipping your bike over while cornering at fast speeds and not just the way it feels when you hit a pot hole or riding on bumpy highways.
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That is absolutely true! There are riders who need everything "perfect" in order to go fast, which I always call the "Biaggi" riders. Then there are the guys who can hop on anything, no matter how poorly its set up, and go just as fast. I'm squarely in the "Biaggi" camp, it drives me nuts if I don't have exactly the kind of feedback I want from the front end, the tires, etc. If it doesn't "feel" right, I can't go as fast. One of my racing buddies is the opposite. He once borrowed my bike (that he had never ridden before) because his bike had a mechanical issue right before the race, the bike was not set up for him because he weighs 50 lbs. less than I do, and he won the race on it. He also won another race one time on his SV650 that had a completely blown rear shock on it, and he didn't even notice until we pointed it out to him in the pits after the race. That's the exact opposite, if you ask him how something feels, he'd say "I don't know, I just ride it". So think about that every time you see opinions posted on forums about particular bike setups, suspension, etc. it's a VERY subjective topic and there is often no "right" answer!
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am i the only person that thinks the stock forks function properly?
nothing wrong with the marzocchi's, i thought they were great, but a customized set up is hard to beat.
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If anybody wants to put a set of Ohlins on a Base model then keep in mind that the Diameter of the triple clamp is different then on the S model, base model forks are larger diameter so make sure you get the Ohlins in the correct size.
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So putting a set Ohlins forks will do that then ?
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The Ohlins FGRT 203 fits the base. No replacing the upper or lower triple clamps. They are Plug and Play
. even though the Marzocchi are 53mm and the Ohlins FRGT 203 are 43mm. These measurements are taken well below the triple clamps. In fact I had to loosen the triple clamps a smudge more to allow the Ohlins to slip through.
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I understand everything which you say, I have other (and have had) Ohlins equipped bikes, I definitely get it. I've had Marzocchi forks on other bikes that I couldn't stand. Having said that, I think that the forks on the Pani are actually quite good and am curious as to what others might think they're lacking. Maybe some of those are new riders or who may have less experience in properly setting up the suspension on their bikes? Maybe, maybe not I suppose.
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Gold fork legs and blue twirly knobs .
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Just an FYI,
I had my suspension setup today by a local guru and he had to back the Marzocchi's rebound dampening all the way to full stiff just to get them into the realm of being correct. He said I needed another 5 or so clicks to get it closer to where it needed to be.
Also, I discussed a cartridge kit with him and after we finished we discovered the Marzocchi's have a large amount of stiction. It would be recommended to get the full fork kit as opposed to even the TTX fork inserts. Another thing to remember is that even if you get the $1200 inserts over the $2300 forks, you still need to pay for installation. Installation would be at least 4 hours I would imagine.
The bike feels AMAZING after we dialed it in too. I can't wait to get her to the track again.
I had my suspension setup today by a local guru and he had to back the Marzocchi's rebound dampening all the way to full stiff just to get them into the realm of being correct. He said I needed another 5 or so clicks to get it closer to where it needed to be.
Also, I discussed a cartridge kit with him and after we finished we discovered the Marzocchi's have a large amount of stiction. It would be recommended to get the full fork kit as opposed to even the TTX fork inserts. Another thing to remember is that even if you get the $1200 inserts over the $2300 forks, you still need to pay for installation. Installation would be at least 4 hours I would imagine.
The bike feels AMAZING after we dialed it in too. I can't wait to get her to the track again.
I just did the TTX front and rear on mine and its quite easy. Buy a pitbull front stand with #28 pin for the triples and probably took me 2 hours to do both. If you can pin basic wrenches you can tackle this. Call my buddy Robert at Hare Motosports and he'll give you a good deal.
Between this and the RSV4 vs 199 thread, I've concluded that this forum is overrun with people who would rather spend money on their bikes to enjoy looking at and be seen with, rather than learn how to ride them fast.
Anyone who is serious about sport riding knows that professional riding schools and track time will make them so much more confident first, faster second, than ANY mod they can buy for whatever model they are riding.
Like oalvarez already said, I guess there's not anything wrong with that and I'm guilty to a certain degree. But I wish they would just own up to it instead of justifying how much "faster" they would go because of some mod they want to buy to have the latest, greatest.
Anyone who is serious about sport riding knows that professional riding schools and track time will make them so much more confident first, faster second, than ANY mod they can buy for whatever model they are riding.
Like oalvarez already said, I guess there's not anything wrong with that and I'm guilty to a certain degree. But I wish they would just own up to it instead of justifying how much "faster" they would go because of some mod they want to buy to have the latest, greatest.
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My 2 cents:
Marzocchis are plenty good and I'd stick with 'em even for heavy track use.
Problem is the bladder failure, happened to me 3 times last year. Fell off the first time, lost three prepaid trackdays and was "out of bike" for a combined month and a half. Ended up getting brand new forks on warranty but got to the point where I just don't trust them anymore.
The smaller Ohlins kit goes for about 1100 $ and will buy me peace of mind
Marzocchis are plenty good and I'd stick with 'em even for heavy track use.
Problem is the bladder failure, happened to me 3 times last year. Fell off the first time, lost three prepaid trackdays and was "out of bike" for a combined month and a half. Ended up getting brand new forks on warranty but got to the point where I just don't trust them anymore.
The smaller Ohlins kit goes for about 1100 $ and will buy me peace of mind
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The Ohlins FGRT 203 fits the base. No replacing the upper or lower triple clamps. They are Plug and Play
I thought the Marzocchi on the base model are 57mm. The "S" model has 53mm Ohlins. At least mine has. Maybe mine is the only one and it is a special rare beast.
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