New 1299SL pics from Italy. Mechanical. Sorry no rim strips, blinkers or mirrors.

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Here are some shots of the relevant pieces and some data.

1 The swingarm is an aluminum/carbon hybrid. Aluminum with carbon wrap.
Its not an aluminum lug/insert bonded insert. It is not a true CF piece like the BST item. I am told BST will have a full CF version of this out in 2017.

2 The Airbox is a full CF piece with an aluminum stiffener. I do not have anything positive or negative to say about it. The weight difference between this and the SL Mag frame is minimal. They chose to keep the mag fairing stay from the stock 1299. This frame is a bit of question mark. You really do have a hard time seeing it. You have stickers on both sides and even closing in on it, it looks flat black. 90% of the frame is not visible and I am hard pressed to see a performance benefit so I guess it there to say "we have a CF frame". Ok. Looking inside the airbox, there is nothing new (fueling etc).

3 I wont go into the wheels. Everyone has seen them. They will be available from BST early 2017.

4 Electronics. You have an upgraded ECU/IMU with some traction control features.

5 Paint. Not sure if this is the final version if is is all I can say personally is that on some things the flat paint looks nice. On other things, not so much. That it for this category.

6 Exhaust. The exhaust that was on the bike is the street version. Standard 1299 full akra kit. The racing exhaust that was at the show is from the WSBK effort. Not officially they say the bike ships with an additional "racing exhaust" system. They did or would not confirm that the WSBK system used in the photos was indeed the system you are going to get. All that was said is that it is "like system". No idea what that means and no one would elaborate. Im guessing your not getting the tuned pipe version that Aruba is running but thats just a guess.

Other than that, your getting an 1199SL with 100 additional CCs. All the components are identical to the 1199SL. Personally, I would but an 1199 SL and some wheels and a swingarm (if you really have to have that) from BST and call it a day. Your saving 30K plus and your not ever going to know the difference. Smarter yet would be a low mileage R and 70K to play with.
 

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Dude, you are really loosing sleep over this bike. Ever since this bike has been announced, you've been going on and on about how much of a waste of money it is.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you for the most part, and your arguement is sound.

That being said, there has to be a point where you just say "this bike isn't for me" and move on.
 
Dude, did I post one thing that is relevant to anything you just said? It is an informative post. There isn't on thing in it bashing anything. If you don't like what I post then STFU and don't read it. The content is obviously not for you.
 
The swingarm being a carbon/aluminum hybrid sounds like what was being discussed about their MotoGP carbon swingarm.
I wonder what the weight difference is? Being a hybrid brings some piece of mind. Thanks for the pics and info.
 
Yes. I actually like the idea. I think they did a nice job on that piece. The bonding process is very sound and has been used in aerospace and cycling for a long time. Some of those bonded, lugged bicycle frames are still in use from 20 years ago. I like what Ducati did a bit better than the 1098 BST item especially around the hub interface area. That BST item is really thin there. Probably fine but it looks a little nervous. The frame is nice as well. Its just not "visually" optimized due to the bikes design as the electronic holders, stickers and cables cover so much of it.
 
Thanks for the pics. They've cut Seattle out of the show stops so pics and details are very welcome.
I'd be curious as to how Ducati will price the swingarm. I'm still let down by the paint scheme, it doesn't flow.
 
STFU? Really?

Dude, did I post one thing that is relevant to anything you just said? It is an informative post. There isn't on thing in it bashing anything. If you don't like what I post then STFU and don't read it. The content is obviously not for you.

I said that that you keep going on on and about how much of a waste of money it is. What you said here is completely relevant:

your getting an 1199SL with 100 additional CCs. All the components are identical to the 1199SL. Personally, I would but an 1199 SL and some wheels and a swingarm (if you really have to have that) from BST and call it a day. Your saving 30K plus and your not ever going to know the difference. Smarter yet would be a low mileage R and 70K to play wth.

Thing is, I completely agree with you on this.

Anywho, informative post and thanks for the pics.
 
Ok I get it and that was not my intention. The only intention there was to point out that if you own an 1199R which i think is probably the best bike out there, you did pretty damn well and If you wanted some potential improvement that Ducati is hyping, that you didn't have to drop 100K to get it. That's it. My original post on the build was nothing more than a reference to show retail pricing on what you can get for your money. The 1299SL is a great bike no doubt. Never said it wasn't. For the asking price Ducat could have given a bit more in terms of components which would have been negligible to them in terms of cost but they chose not to. I had a nice sit down with DNA on this very subject in Long Beach this weekend and they agreed on that very subject. I believe that the concept that Aprilia has adopted with their race shop will finally take place within Ducati and the Corse shop next year and you will see RS bikes in various spec configurations available to the public.
 
Here are some shots of the relevant pieces and some data.

1 The swingarm is an aluminum/carbon hybrid. Aluminum with carbon wrap.
Its not an aluminum lug/insert bonded insert. It is not a true CF piece like the BST item. I am told BST will have a full CF version of this out in 2017.

2 The Airbox is a full CF piece with an aluminum stiffener. I do not have anything positive or negative to say about it. The weight difference between this and the SL Mag frame is minimal. They chose to keep the mag fairing stay from the stock 1299. This frame is a bit of question mark. You really do have a hard time seeing it. You have stickers on both sides and even closing in on it, it looks flat black. 90% of the frame is not visible and I am hard pressed to see a performance benefit so I guess it there to say "we have a CF frame". Ok. Looking inside the airbox, there is nothing new (fueling etc).

3 I wont go into the wheels. Everyone has seen them. They will be available from BST early 2017.

4 Electronics. You have an upgraded ECU/IMU with some traction control features.

5 Paint. Not sure if this is the final version if is is all I can say personally is that on some things the flat paint looks nice. On other things, not so much. That it for this category.

6 Exhaust. The exhaust that was on the bike is the street version. Standard 1299 full akra kit. The racing exhaust that was at the show is from the WSBK effort. Not officially they say the bike ships with an additional "racing exhaust" system. They did or would not confirm that the WSBK system used in the photos was indeed the system you are going to get. All that was said is that it is "like system". No idea what that means and no one would elaborate. Im guessing your not getting the tuned pipe version that Aruba is running but thats just a guess.

Other than that, your getting an 1199SL with 100 additional CCs. All the components are identical to the 1199SL. Personally, I would but an 1199 SL and some wheels and a swingarm (if you really have to have that) from BST and call it a day. Your saving 30K plus and your not ever going to know the difference. Smarter yet would be a low mileage R and 70K to play with.

Few more.

Excellent pics, thank you!!

For the price the SL commands, they could've given quick release brake lines and fuel lines and many more. But then, its a collector's item anyways.
 
For the price the SL commands, they could've given quick release brake lines and fuel lines and many more. But then, its a collector's item anyways.

You addressed your first comment with your 2nd comment.

I think your 2nd comment is the part most people are missing. This is a collectors item bike, similar in the way the Desmo was a collectors item bike.

This 1299SL is NOT a race homologation special and does not fit in any race classes (at least not in Europe or the US, they actually do race the 1299S in Australian Superbike, Mike Jones was on one this year). If this bike was actually supposed to be a race bike, they wouldn't have put CF wheels on it (they are illegal in many race series), they would have put quick-release lines on it, so on and so forth. But they didn't. Because it is not a race homologation special.

Comparing this bike to any other Panigale in terms of price or performance is ridiculous. 99.9% of the population would put down the EXACT same lap times on a 1299SL that they would on a 1299 base model.

This bike is a collectors item, nothing more, nothing less. Once people realize that and stop trying to compare it to anything, or justify the cost of it vs other bikes, these discussions will get much easier and with less drama. Sure, somebody could buy all of the individual/CF parts on their own and save some money, but then they wouldn't actually have a 1299SL collectors item...they would just have a 1299 with a bunch of cool parts on it. Which means 5-10 years from now, their modded bike wouldn't be worth .... compared to this 1299SL, which will still be worth a lot of money because of what it is...a collectors item.
 
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I would imagine that the race kit exhaust couldn't be an identical copy of the one used in WSBK. That one has a flapper system that is linked up with the electronics they are using, which wouldn't be feasible on the street bike.
 
1 The swingarm is an aluminum/carbon hybrid. Aluminum with carbon wrap.
Its not an aluminum lug/insert bonded insert. It is not a true CF piece like the BST item. I am told BST will have a full CF version of this out in 2017.

Not true. It's not an aluminum swinger with carbon wrap, it's a carbon swinger with aluminum lugs.
 
This is like arguing if a girls .... are fake or not. Who cares. My experience is that they taste the same either way...lol. Let us marvel at th beauty and engineering.

I would like to know what those wheels are going to cost. The new rotobox wheels are 3400 bucks and actually look half decent.
 
question is if you have the money and dont need to sacrifice anything else would you buy it, for me yes, when I saw it there is nothing that can compare, you can make it but its not the same as a factory labeled machine.
 
"Not true. It's not an aluminum swinger with carbon wrap, it's a carbon swinger with aluminum lugs".

I agree and that is what it looks like as well. My use of the term "wrap" was perhaps incorrect. There was a Ducati rep from engineering that emphatically stated that aluminum ran through the entire swingarm hence my use of the term wrap.

Chaotic makes a good point. Then again I guess it all depends on who builds the "parts" bike. I would bet a 1299SL type bike built by say a Roland Sands type would do pretty well down the road on resale. All of the factory "collector" bikes of recent years have dropped in value so I surmise it comes down to the details.

BST said the wheels are in the upper 3K range.
 
so like most other "cf" swingarms, this is just a fancy carbon wrap LOL; but on the bright side it is way safer than a true cf swingarm and bst will be risking people's lives with their product.

the frame has aluminum struts, which is smart since it's unsafe as pure cf part; again, waste of money and time since it's marginally lighter than 1199sl part and still not as durable over time.

oh well.....
 
This is like arguing if a girls .... are fake or not. Who cares. My experience is that they taste the same either way...lol. Let us marvel at th beauty and engineering.

I would like to know what those wheels are going to cost. The new rotobox wheels are 3400 bucks and actually look half decent.

fake .... are not only a sign of the idiotic vanity that went under knife to attract vapid men, but, also, are known to fail both in actual rupturing and in slow leakage of foreign matter inside body... and if you gander at scars and unnatural shape and lumpy feel, then it's a total hoe bag write off.
 
dont think Thamer was literally going after chicks with implants on this, need to get back to the bike, if I can get it and I have the money I will be the dog with two dicks!
there is a 20% down and delivery sometime in the summer, in comparison SL1 and SL2 I was never taken over by the look of the 1199SL simply because I never liked the wheels, I reckon that if I put the OZ cattiva wheels in Matt black on the 1199SL it would change the whole bikes appeal to me and maybe I would do, how many would think that is blasphemy? or does anyone agree that the orange and white with matt black wheels is the way it should have been?
 

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