New DP accessories

Has anybody seen the new stuff for the 1199 in the DUCATI accessory catalogue.

Billet foot pegs (the ones we always wanted).
Carbon rear heat guard (the same as the big plastic/recall one)
Front axle sliders.

Is that up online yet Brad on in a catalogue you received?

These are items I've been looking for, too..... Will do some searching to see what the pegs and heat shield look like. Agh, I just spent about 3 hrs. yesterday installing the larger plastic shield on my 12' model... Hope the carbon piece is too much money, don't want to go through that process again... Heh, Heh!
Pat

oldrider57 said:

These are items I've been looking for, too..... Will do some searching to see what the pegs and heat shield look like. Agh, I just spent about 3 hrs. yesterday installing the larger plastic shield on my 12' model... Hope the carbon piece is too much money, don't want to go through that process again... Heh, Heh!
Pat

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They should have done that for free, they did mine.

Many new parts are shown on the web site but not in the new assessor book I just got with my Tri...

No part number shown for some of the new parts. It also shows the pegs as a set of 4 so wondering it they will be available for front only.

Mozzie said:

Is that up online yet Brad on in a catalogue you received?

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On the website.

Carbon heat shield part no 96980441A, for those who have problems with the heat
I've kept the original heat shield.
Billet foot pegs part no 96280111A
Front axle sliders part no 97380061A

And the new tank protectors are on there as well.
Hopefully they stick better than the original one.
I also see they've kept the original one in the line up.

Cheers

And the carbon heat guard kit for the Termi mufflers.

I am kinda digging how those look.

Wonder who will have them in stock.

NOLA

Sorry NOLA, but that's old news

Your not keeping up with developments, as they were available at the same time they released the radiator cover which is originally made by Evotech anyway.

I hope at some time in the future they bring out a performance air cleaner element
It might even be the MWR?

Oh.

Im slacking

So if they are so rampant, does anyone have a pic of them installed ? Just weird I have never seen a single pic of them on any of the bikes here.

NOLA

NOLA said:

Oh.

Im slacking

So if they are so rampant, does anyone have a pic of them installed ? Just weird I have never seen a single pic of them on any of the bikes here.

NOLA

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Yes quite slack
I think it was myself, that made the announcement about it to this forum about 1 month ago.
Never seen any pics yet, except for the ones that somebody made on a limited basis aftermarket.

Perhaps you could be the first
I think they'll add a very nice touch/accent to the lower area on the bike

Don't forget the:
96780251A
Box for highway toll payment device

EZPass bling.

Brad said:

I hope at some time in the future they bring out a performance air cleaner element
It might even be the MWR?

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On their termi slip-on page they say "An air cleaner made from special fabric complements this superpole kit. " Anyone have a link to this air cleaner?

Ducati Corse racing silencers kit - Ducati Superbike Accessories

transdesigner said:

On their termi slip-on page they say "An air cleaner made from special fabric complements this superpole kit. " Anyone have a link to this air cleaner?

Ducati Corse racing silencers kit - Ducati Superbike Accessories

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Yes well spotted, I've seen that too while I was looking around in there.
But I saw so much that I couldn't remember where it was when I went to look for it again specifically.

I finally gave up then put it down to old age senility, thinking it was a figment of my imagination/wishful thinking.
Thanks for pointing it out Now I know it wasn't my imagination

If it's not a typo on the website.
There will be a specific part number for it that the dealer can look up on their computer. If so then i'll be getting one in to have a look at and compare with the stock filter

Cheers

Ok, so I got the good oil(supposedly) on the Air filter element that comes with the new Slip-on kit Part no 96480221A.
The kit is only for the 899.
Apparently the air filter element doesn't fit the 1199.

Regarding the stock air filter element in the 1199.
According to DUCATI, it is already capable of flowing as much air as the engine will need, even with the super stock full exhaust system
So no air filter upgrade is required for the 1199.
Interesting.

Brad said:

Ok, so I got the good oil(supposedly) on the Air filter element that comes with the new Slip-on kit Part no 96480221A.
The kit is only for the 899.
Apparently the air filter element doesn't fit the 1199.

Regarding the stock air filter element in the 1199.
According to DUCATI, it is already capable of flowing as much air as the engine will need, even with the super stock full exhaust system
So no air filter upgrade is required for the 1199.
Interesting.

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I'll bet it would be a possibility/requirement if Ducati made one.

Remember when car oil changes were manufacturer "required" at every 3,000miles. Then when manufacturers started bundling vehicle service with the vehicle sales cost miraculously it changed to only being needed every 10,000miles. Strange coincidence.

Brad said:

Ok, so I got the good oil(supposedly) on the Air filter element that comes with the new Slip-on kit Part no 96480221A.
The kit is only for the 899.
Apparently the air filter element doesn't fit the 1199.

Regarding the stock air filter element in the 1199.
According to DUCATI, it is already capable of flowing as much air as the engine will need, even with the super stock full exhaust system
So no air filter upgrade is required for the 1199.
Interesting.

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hmm... so basically they are saying it's a typo in the link we found because those slip-ons are for the 1199 too, and they are also implying that they used some more restrictive filter element on the new 899, but the original 1199 came with a "high flow" filter.

All the people on the forum posting gains with an MWR would imply that the factory 1199 filter does not in fact flow as much air as the engine may need. We should call up MWR and tell them they should just stop selling filters, because the Ducati OEM version already flows the optimum amount of air

I call BS on Ducati lol

NOLA said:

I'll bet it would be a possibility/requirement if Ducati made one.

Remember when car oil changes were manufacturer "required" at every 3,000miles. Then when manufacturers started bundling vehicle service with the vehicle sales cost miraculously it changed to only being needed every 10,000miles. Strange coincidence.

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This occurred for a variety of reasons. Technology in engines now is far different than it was even 10 yrs ago. Better oils (especially synthetics), better sealing on piston seals, valves, internal engine parts, far lower internal engine friction due to better surface finishes and coatings. And one of the key things we did was design larger oil sumps, and with more oil, it takes longer to break down as each quart of oil sees a less severe duty cycle. A lot of optimization, for example, an older bearing may have required .5 lpm flow rate, some new ones may now be .1-.3 lpm, so less oil is used there. The new coatings on pistons means less oil lubrication is required. What I'm getting at is that there are real engineering reasons why we upped the oil change requirements

transdesigner said:

This occurred for a variety of reasons. Technology in engines now is far different than it was even 10 yrs ago. Better oils (especially synthetics), better sealing on piston seals, valves, internal engine parts, far lower internal engine friction due to better surface finishes and coatings. And one of the key things we did was design larger oil sumps, and with more oil, it takes longer to break down as each quart of oil sees a less severe duty cycle. A lot of optimization, for example, an older bearing may have required .5 lpm flow rate, some new ones may now be .1-.3 lpm, so less oil is used there. What I'm getting at is that there are real engineering reasons why we upped the oil change requirements

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Sorry dude, BIG BS flag on that one.

I have been dealing with auto racing engines a lot longer than the average bear. When synthetic oil was introduced the big auto manufacturers told us that it was a total waste of time, and that regular oil was what we needed. Now that THEY bear the cost, all of a sudden synthetic is the ...., and so good that we (they) don't need to change the motor oil till 10,000mi. AND, all of a sudden that requirement occurred when THEY started bundling service/purchase price. I don't believe in coincidences.

And you cant honestly suggest that they are improving inner engine load bearing surfaces to help out the end user and some type of magical teflon type coating is being applies that now changes the wear properties of the same metal from the previous model year's engine. Come on. Cars are getting cheaper and crappier (Why I buy German).

And"¦.I just checked. My car takes the same amount of oil that the previous three years vehicles did. So much for that deep sump theory.

Respectfully.

NOLA

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hmm... so basically they are saying it's a typo in the link we found because those slip-ons are for the 1199 too, and they are also implying that they used some more restrictive filter element on the new 899, but the original 1199 came with a "high flow" filter.

All the people on the forum posting gains with an MWR would imply that the factory 1199 filter does not in fact flow as much air as the engine may need. We should call up MWR and tell them they should just stop selling filters, because the Ducati OEM version already flows the optimum amount of air

I call BS on Ducati lol

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You make an interesting point. If however my information is actually correct, then your point is coming from a very coloured/sceptical basis.
I prefer to keep an open mind at this early stage.

Further to this, I would like to point out that the evidence to verify the increased power gains of the MWR filter is highly questionable from a scientific viewpoint to say the least. in fact I believe it's garbage.
I personally have a better chance of believing in climate change, than the totally inconclusive reports about the MWR filter Hp gains.

Consider this.
Taking the MWR filter out of the equation.
What if(and nobody has seen one in the flesh yet for comparison) the air filter element in the 899 really is an "economy version" with a different type of filter media to reduce costs. It would be inline with sound business practices.

Then it may very well be possible that the filter media of the air filter that comes with the 899 Slip-on kit (Part no 96480221A) really is an upgrade for the 899, and it may actually be the same as the 1199 stock air filter media.
It's not unreasonable to expect this scenario to exist. IMO.

I put it to you. If not then why not?
We will have to see the physical comparison between the different filters in the fullness of time I think

NOLA said:

Sorry dude, BIG BS flag on that one.

I have been dealing with auto racing engines a lot longer than the average bear. When synthetic oil was introduced the big auto manufacturers told us that it was a total waste of time, and that regular oil was what we needed. Now that THEY bear the cost, all of a sudden synthetic is the ...., and so good that we (they) don't need to change the motor oil till 10,000mi. AND, all of a sudden that requirement occurred when THEY started bundling service/purchase price. I don't believe in coincidences.

And you cant honestly suggest that they are improving inner engine load bearing surfaces to help out the end user and some type of magical teflon type coating is being applies that now changes the wear properties of the same metal from the previous model year's engine. Come on. Cars are getting cheaper and crappier (Why I buy German).

And"¦.I just checked. My car takes the same amount of oil that the previous three years vehicles did. So much for that deep sump theory.

Respectfully.

NOLA

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It's a mix of things and as always, depends on who you talk to. I'm speaking out of personal experience in my engineering career with OEMs. A lot of the domestics and Japanese don't have free maintenance plans yet so that's not the sole reason. We are constantly reducing internal friction and paying for coatings for efficiency, because more efficient cars can drive sales, and primarily because we are all scared shitless of paying fines for not meeting the new CAFE fuel economy standards. Regarding the bearings, high loss taper roller bearings are being replaced with low loss angular contact ball bearings. cam shafts are getting needle rollers instead of journals for the first time ever, etc. And regarding the oil sump thing... it's not across all models, but I was speaking out of experience, in this case with the Ford Coyote V8, and many other newer engines. I'm on the design side for OEMs, so I promise I'm not BSing New engines go through tons of validation testing (500hr WOT, 800,000 zero to WOT tip ins, -40C testinc, etc etc,) and we pay close attention to oil quality, and new advances are allowing longer oil life,...