Panigale 1299 VS V4

Honestly just think you need to get used to it. Completely different kind of ride -

MotoX183 said:

^One thing I noticed for myself.. I was short-shifting on the V4, as I was used to shifting a bit earlier on the twin. The V4 will pull really strong up to around 13.5k.

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Exact same thing here when I went to Welkom last month - I found myself shifting to early as my ear was so tuned-in to the twin's rev range, and trying to use the same gears for the same corners and realizing that I was hardly using all the new head room.

Getting there though was the problem because of the tall gearing - so I first tried using a lower gear in each corner, and it immediately put me back on pace even with no suspension tweaking and/or updates and still in road trim. Was crazy having to trust the bike that much, spinning up and wheeling everywhere. The biggest problem now though, was that I had to pass neutral for the now 1st gear hairpin.

I dropped a tooth on the front and slapped on a 55 instead of 60 to try and correct it. Havent tested it yet though.

For me, the bike definitely turns easier and keeps the line way better than previous bike, especially on exit.

Going back to Welkom next week!!!

Wsbk said:

unfortunately the V4 in all the comparisons doesn't made a clear step forward with the times. The 1299 won many comparative, the V4 does not succeed.
power is not everything.

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pretty sure ducati didn't produce a slower bike to the previous generation but lets see how it stacks up when it starts racing.

The FE has a far better power to weight ratio........

Wsbk said:

unfortunately the V4 in all the comparisons doesn't made a clear step forward with the times. The 1299 won many comparative, the V4 does not succeed.
power is not everything.

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SixShock said:

...? wat?

There's no conclusion to anything other than the 1299 obviously is going to have more torque. I have not seen a head to head track shoot out vs the V4.

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I think he means to say that the 1299 won some comparisons against other manufacturers when it came out and the V4 hasn't won any yet . It's still irrelevant as these magazine comparisons don't mean much !

love2ride said:

I think he means to say that the 1299 won some comparisons against other manufacturers when it came out and the V4 hasn't won any yet . It's still irrelevant as these magazine comparisons don't mean much !

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I could attribute that to stiffer competition now or lack of competition then.

The only thing I will concede is the Kawis are bullying the crap outta ducati as shown in WSBK.

All the comparisons I saw that listed times had the V4 like a second or more ahead of the 1299 in lap time. Not sure which comparison he watched.

I have not seen one of these yet at the tracks I frequent, but this weekend is a Ducati revs the Capitol event, so I am thinking there will be a chance.

I thought about doing that event, but got too lazy to sign up for it

I had a 1299 and thought it was a huge disappointment. I thought better ways to channel heat away from the rider were overlooked after replacing the 1199. 1299 was just more of the same thing with some mid range. 40k for a FE that ridiculous when the V4 Speciale is priced the same.
The V4 with the software updates is a much better bike.

Goshow1199 said:

I had a 1299 and thought it was a huge disappointment. I thought better ways to channel heat away from the rider were overlooked after replacing the 1199. 1299 was just more of the same thing with some mid range. 40k for a FE that ridiculous when the V4 Speciale is priced the same.

The V4 with the software updates is a much better bike.

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Speciale for $40k? Really?

Goshow1199 said:

I had a 1299 and thought it was a huge disappointment. I thought better ways to channel heat away from the rider were overlooked after replacing the 1199. 1299 was just more of the same thing with some mid range. 40k for a FE that ridiculous when the V4 Speciale is priced the same.

The V4 with the software updates is a much better bike.

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The heat only really matters if you ride the street in traffic. Were I to buy a 1299 or a v4, it would be a dedicated track bike. I have an 899 now that is a dedicated track bike; before I took it off the street, I never really noticed the heat because I ATGATT.

New gearing . Went to the track today and the V4 is a beast .
That Akropovic exhaust sound incredible

I know it's an old thread but still if someone needs an answer....

I have a 1299 with modified front and rear suspension (front andreani cartridges, rear ttx36 ohlinsl) so way better than the S version.

After my 1299 engine went kaboom I had the chance to ride a V4r for a few sessions on a track day (Europe, Croatia, Grobnik race circuitl

First a word about lap times as I am no superman.
WSBK Ducari rider Alex Basani (finished 6th in wsbk championship and 1st wsbk independent rider) with V4r ducati was making 1:26 and I was making 1:35 on 1299 so you can tell I'm not the fastest one out there but I can ride comfortably on track.

So if I can choose between the V4r and my 1299 I would go with v4r any day and that's why

V4r is easier to flick from turn to turn
Way better acceleration from apex
Way more power on the straight
Turns better
Easier to ride (fast)

I can say that because I was running 1:37 on my first outing (5 laps) with the V4r an 1:36 on the second outing while tracking really cautiously as to not wreck the V4r which was not my.
From my point of view it is a lot easier to go fast on the V4 than on a 1299 but there is one thing missing on the V4...the kick in your but you get from the 1299 when opening the throttle, if you are a V2 guy you will miss this part a bit because the V4 is just too smooth, every where else it's just better.